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<blockquote data-quote="Greg K" data-source="post: 7315839" data-attributes="member: 5038"><p>Bloat to me is the quality of 95% of the supplemental material put out by WOTC (but this was true of 3e as well)- especially, with regards to their supplemental subclasses (and even a few PHB subclasses).</p><p></p><p>As for being a 3e fan, while I think 5e is a better game out of the box (well, primarily the SRD with the addition of the Valor Bard, Battlemaster Fighter, additional Paladin Archetypes, additional Warlock Patrons and subclasses, wizard schools, additional backgrounds, and feats), there are some things that I do like better about other editions.</p><p></p><p>I'm a Banana and some others have already taken care of the 2e elements that I wanted- except for 2e Priests of Specific Mythoi/Specialty Priests and and 2e Oriental Adventure Martial Arts styles (which to me would be nice if handled similar to battlemaster maneuvers) and ki abilities..</p><p></p><p>For 5e, my issues are</p><p>1. Not every class gaining their subclass at first level. Part of this could be solved with 3e style class variants (e.g. the 5e UA spell-less Ranger Variant)</p><p></p><p>2. The Barbarian</p><p></p><p>3. Clerics. Another edition version in which I dislike the class (2e Priests of Specific Mythoi/Specialty Priests being the exception) Personally, I think weapon and armor and weapon proficiencies should have been another choice similar to Warlocks choosing Chain, Tome, Blade point rather than placed in domains- Perhaps Cloistered (no armor, more skills), Itinerant (light armor), Templar (Heavy armor and a martial weapon). </p><p></p><p>5. The Monk class. The only versions that I have come close to liking are the 2e Oriental Adventures Monk, and 3e OA Shaman (which is a hybrid)-actually, I liked that latter.</p><p></p><p>6. The Rogue being the sneaky stabby class and, since it is focused on light armored class, the Light Armored Swordsman/Swashbuckler class (SCAG) and Outdoor spell-less Ranger (Xanthar). The light armored Swordsman/Swashbuckler, for me, has been addressed by [MENTION=2167]Khaalis[/MENTION] on these boards with a Fighter class variant.</p><p></p><p>7. The Sorcerer: Currently, I am not a fan of the WOTC subclasses, but I have seen some good 3rd party subclasses including from ENWorld's [MENTION=21556]Jester[/MENTION]David.</p><p></p><p>8. Mystic: not a fan of the playtest class or direction Wizards is going.</p><p></p><p>9. For 5e, I have been extremely disappointed with Mearls stated vision for a Shaman class and every third party take that I have seen for a Shaman whether as a class or subclass (barbarian, druid, and warlock).The only D&D visions of the Shaman and Witch that I have liked are found in Nigel Findley's Witches (Mayfair Games) for 1e . Moldvay's comments on a Witch class in Dragon Magazine #43 (probably, because he is coming in part from an Anthropological background), and Green Ronin's Shaman and Witch classes both of which are written by Steve Kenson. Findley, Moldvay, and Kenson all seemed to do at least some research on the topics and translated the concepts well to D&D (note: I found bMcDaniel's Witch class to be pretty decent, but it is not what I am looking for in most campaigns).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greg K, post: 7315839, member: 5038"] Bloat to me is the quality of 95% of the supplemental material put out by WOTC (but this was true of 3e as well)- especially, with regards to their supplemental subclasses (and even a few PHB subclasses). As for being a 3e fan, while I think 5e is a better game out of the box (well, primarily the SRD with the addition of the Valor Bard, Battlemaster Fighter, additional Paladin Archetypes, additional Warlock Patrons and subclasses, wizard schools, additional backgrounds, and feats), there are some things that I do like better about other editions. I'm a Banana and some others have already taken care of the 2e elements that I wanted- except for 2e Priests of Specific Mythoi/Specialty Priests and and 2e Oriental Adventure Martial Arts styles (which to me would be nice if handled similar to battlemaster maneuvers) and ki abilities.. For 5e, my issues are 1. Not every class gaining their subclass at first level. Part of this could be solved with 3e style class variants (e.g. the 5e UA spell-less Ranger Variant) 2. The Barbarian 3. Clerics. Another edition version in which I dislike the class (2e Priests of Specific Mythoi/Specialty Priests being the exception) Personally, I think weapon and armor and weapon proficiencies should have been another choice similar to Warlocks choosing Chain, Tome, Blade point rather than placed in domains- Perhaps Cloistered (no armor, more skills), Itinerant (light armor), Templar (Heavy armor and a martial weapon). 5. The Monk class. The only versions that I have come close to liking are the 2e Oriental Adventures Monk, and 3e OA Shaman (which is a hybrid)-actually, I liked that latter. 6. The Rogue being the sneaky stabby class and, since it is focused on light armored class, the Light Armored Swordsman/Swashbuckler class (SCAG) and Outdoor spell-less Ranger (Xanthar). The light armored Swordsman/Swashbuckler, for me, has been addressed by [MENTION=2167]Khaalis[/MENTION] on these boards with a Fighter class variant. 7. The Sorcerer: Currently, I am not a fan of the WOTC subclasses, but I have seen some good 3rd party subclasses including from ENWorld's [MENTION=21556]Jester[/MENTION]David. 8. Mystic: not a fan of the playtest class or direction Wizards is going. 9. For 5e, I have been extremely disappointed with Mearls stated vision for a Shaman class and every third party take that I have seen for a Shaman whether as a class or subclass (barbarian, druid, and warlock).The only D&D visions of the Shaman and Witch that I have liked are found in Nigel Findley's Witches (Mayfair Games) for 1e . Moldvay's comments on a Witch class in Dragon Magazine #43 (probably, because he is coming in part from an Anthropological background), and Green Ronin's Shaman and Witch classes both of which are written by Steve Kenson. Findley, Moldvay, and Kenson all seemed to do at least some research on the topics and translated the concepts well to D&D (note: I found bMcDaniel's Witch class to be pretty decent, but it is not what I am looking for in most campaigns). [/QUOTE]
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