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<blockquote data-quote="DaveMage" data-source="post: 2047558" data-attributes="member: 10447">I've been playing in a gestalt game for a few months now, and it's been a hoot.We have three characters, a psion/fighter, a rogue/sorcerer (me), and a monk/wizard.We started at level 10, and are now level 19.I can tell you this.&nbsp; From levels 10-16 it was pretty much like normal D&amp;D, although a typical challenge for us was about +2 to +3 CR above normal.&nbsp; However, all of that changed once our wizard/monk learned shapechange...Since he retains all of his monk abilitites while in humanoid forms, he is now exceedingly deadly while shapechanged.&nbsp; He can shapechange into a pit fiend, and gain many of the benefits thereof.&nbsp; His AC (while in this form) jumped to over 60, and we were able to defeat a colossal red dragon (CR 26) and its gated-in balor because of it.So, the bottom line is, depending on the class combo, at a certain point, play balance can suddenly become completely thrown to the wind.&nbsp; (Not that there's anything wrong with that.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp;&nbsp; )</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DaveMage, post: 2047558, member: 10447"] I've been playing in a gestalt game for a few months now, and it's been a hoot. We have three characters, a psion/fighter, a rogue/sorcerer (me), and a monk/wizard. We started at level 10, and are now level 19. I can tell you this. From levels 10-16 it was pretty much like normal D&D, although a typical challenge for us was about +2 to +3 CR above normal. However, all of that changed once our wizard/monk learned shapechange... Since he retains all of his monk abilitites while in humanoid forms, he is now exceedingly deadly while shapechanged. He can shapechange into a pit fiend, and gain many of the benefits thereof. His AC (while in this form) jumped to over 60, and we were able to defeat a colossal red dragon (CR 26) and its gated-in balor because of it. So, the bottom line is, depending on the class combo, at a certain point, play balance can suddenly become completely thrown to the wind. (Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;) ) [/QUOTE]

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