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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jasamcarl" data-source="post: 2187095" data-attributes="member: 1251">Heroes of M&M 3, Disciples 2, Civ 2, and Galactic Civilization  for the turn based strategy.Kohan 1 (stay away from 2) and Warcraft 3 for the real time.Anyone looking forward to Dragonshard? The building system and flat tech tree sound interesting, but I'm getting a Kohan 2 feel from the interface and (perhaps overly) streamlined micro.Jade Empire is OK, but certainly not great. I would go into it with measured expectations if you have 'gamist' preferences.Halo 2 is MUCH better following the release of the 1.1 update. Comes much closer to the original. It still has the 'smooth' physics, but the underlying balance promotes a greater degree of skill and stealth, especially on large maps.Oh, and I just read a preview of X-Men Legends 2. The didn't go for the original, because the reviews made it sound pretty simplistic. But the sequal seems to be beefing up both the twitch play and rp aspects, as well smoothing out the multiplayer. Might be a good Gauntlet clone.</blockquote>