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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 679322" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>celtavian: I'm not going to quibble with your specifics, not because I couldn't, but because it would be pointless.</p><p></p><p>What I do want to point out to you is that your answer shows a pervasive and mature balancing of the system which I would not expect an inexperienced DM to be able to do. The excellent use of tactics is fine, but no more than I would expect of the NPC's provided they were aware of iminenent attack. Nevertheless, it is tactics that show a great deal of understanding of the game and which a young DM might not readily adopt. </p><p></p><p>But even more striking is your claim that you are in effect running a low magic campaign. Bravo, but that is itself is not standard and from the designers point of view 'unexpected'. I agree, in the long run high stats give you less of a bonus than pervasive magic. As such, in the long run the high stats are nearly a moot point, and arguably if you are running a low magic campaign make the job of balancing the challenges alot easier on the DM. </p><p></p><p>For the record, I am willing to harp against 2nd and 3rd editions surplus of magic items at least as much as I am willing to harp against high stats.</p><p></p><p>I personally, as a DM would not want to build 'Lancalot' with 32 points. I looked at the old Legends and Lore, and discovered GG had built Lancalot with 60 some points (a direct comparison is not possible). I personally thought that was overkill. IMO, Lancalot can be the bravest and best simply by being high level, and certainly the arguement can be made that either of them are 32 point buy and their apparant advantages come from elsewhere. Both Lancalot and Aragorn have certain mystical properties to thier parentage. Better than creating them with high point buys would be slap a template on them and give them +ECL. </p><p></p><p>PC: "I want to play Aragorn! I want to play Aragorn! It's not fair that you don't let me play Aragorn! I want to be a real hero!"</p><p></p><p>DM: "*sigh* Ok, you can start out as a 1st level 'Heir of the Numenorean Kings', just understand that everyone else is going to start as 5th level characters."</p><p></p><p>(Not that the +ECL system doesn't need a rewrite)</p><p></p><p>Personally I think down that road though, you'll soon be getting players going 'I want to play Fizban! I want to play Fizban! It's not fair that you don't let me play Fizban! I want to be a real hero!' and 'Can I play Thor?' At which point you have to stop and say, 'Ok, we can either play D&D or we can play Champions in a D&D setting.'</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 679322, member: 4937"] celtavian: I'm not going to quibble with your specifics, not because I couldn't, but because it would be pointless. What I do want to point out to you is that your answer shows a pervasive and mature balancing of the system which I would not expect an inexperienced DM to be able to do. The excellent use of tactics is fine, but no more than I would expect of the NPC's provided they were aware of iminenent attack. Nevertheless, it is tactics that show a great deal of understanding of the game and which a young DM might not readily adopt. But even more striking is your claim that you are in effect running a low magic campaign. Bravo, but that is itself is not standard and from the designers point of view 'unexpected'. I agree, in the long run high stats give you less of a bonus than pervasive magic. As such, in the long run the high stats are nearly a moot point, and arguably if you are running a low magic campaign make the job of balancing the challenges alot easier on the DM. For the record, I am willing to harp against 2nd and 3rd editions surplus of magic items at least as much as I am willing to harp against high stats. I personally, as a DM would not want to build 'Lancalot' with 32 points. I looked at the old Legends and Lore, and discovered GG had built Lancalot with 60 some points (a direct comparison is not possible). I personally thought that was overkill. IMO, Lancalot can be the bravest and best simply by being high level, and certainly the arguement can be made that either of them are 32 point buy and their apparant advantages come from elsewhere. Both Lancalot and Aragorn have certain mystical properties to thier parentage. Better than creating them with high point buys would be slap a template on them and give them +ECL. PC: "I want to play Aragorn! I want to play Aragorn! It's not fair that you don't let me play Aragorn! I want to be a real hero!" DM: "*sigh* Ok, you can start out as a 1st level 'Heir of the Numenorean Kings', just understand that everyone else is going to start as 5th level characters." (Not that the +ECL system doesn't need a rewrite) Personally I think down that road though, you'll soon be getting players going 'I want to play Fizban! I want to play Fizban! It's not fair that you don't let me play Fizban! I want to be a real hero!' and 'Can I play Thor?' At which point you have to stop and say, 'Ok, we can either play D&D or we can play Champions in a D&D setting.' [/QUOTE]
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