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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9201717" data-attributes="member: 42582">What RPG are you talking about?My example of a failed Cook test was from Torchbearer. Torchbearer doesn't use &quot;Moves&quot;. It is very close to Burning Wheel in its technical characteristics, and not especially close to Apocalypse World.You set up a nonsense example - cooking sweets and being attacked by ninjas while baking - and then complain about nonsense and illogic. If you can't frame compelling situations, and choose compelling consequences, that's your problem and not mine.In my game, the PCs were camping in the Troll Fens, having escaped a Troll Haunt (but becoming lost in the swamp in the process), killed some giant frogs, and then captured a marauding Dire Wolf and made a deal with it. In the course of this, they observed the Moathouse nearby, and they learned more about it from the Wolf (who had come from it).They then decided that they would preserve some frog meat before breaking camp. A decision was made to try and preserve 4 rather than 2 portions (from memory) despite the greater risk of failure. The group's best Cook made the attempt, helped by the others. Now you seem to think that it makes no sense to have the best cook try and get the portions preserved before anything goes wrong or anyone hostile shows up. But I don't know why. If, in the circumstances I'd described, I could pull Gordon Ramsey out of my bag of tricks to preserve the frog for me, why wouldn't I? He would do a better job more efficiently.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9201717, member: 42582"] What RPG are you talking about? My example of a failed Cook test was from Torchbearer. Torchbearer doesn't use "Moves". It is very close to Burning Wheel in its technical characteristics, and not especially close to Apocalypse World. You set up a nonsense example - cooking sweets and being attacked by ninjas while baking - and then complain about nonsense and illogic. If you can't frame compelling situations, and choose compelling consequences, that's your problem and not mine. In my game, the PCs were camping in the Troll Fens, having escaped a Troll Haunt (but becoming lost in the swamp in the process), killed some giant frogs, and then captured a marauding Dire Wolf and made a deal with it. In the course of this, they observed the Moathouse nearby, and they learned more about it from the Wolf (who had come from it). They then decided that they would preserve some frog meat before breaking camp. A decision was made to try and preserve 4 rather than 2 portions (from memory) despite the greater risk of failure. The group's best Cook made the attempt, helped by the others. Now you seem to think that it makes no sense to have the best cook try and get the portions preserved before anything goes wrong or anyone hostile shows up. But I don't know why. If, in the circumstances I'd described, I could pull Gordon Ramsey out of my bag of tricks to preserve the frog for me, why wouldn't I? He would do a better job more efficiently. [/QUOTE]

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