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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9202153" data-attributes="member: 42582">This is wrong.Here is the post that you are referring to:The concept of measurement does not figure. There is no reference to odds at all, and certainly no reference to the odds of cooking being interrupted by bandits.The roll, in Torchbearer, does not measure anything. It is a determination-process, not a measuring process.The obstacle for the roll determines how likely it is, in the play of the game at the table, that the player's desire for how things unfold will prevail. It is set by reference to the in-fiction difficulty of the task attempted - this is part of the risk/reward calculation players can perform. The obstacles set out in the skill rules don't purport to be measures of anything, though: eg the fact that the Obstacles for preserving game step up by 1 for each doubling of the number of portions is a straightforward formula, but not an attempt at measuring anything.The obstacle does not determine the odds of being interrupted by bandits. If the player fails their roll, the GM has to decide what happens - either they get the result they wanted, but suffer a condition; or a twist is narrated. After the roll failed, I decided on a twist, making reference to my notes for the Moathouse (which identify additional bandits as a possible twist).You assert that it is not logical, in a game, for (i) a player's chance of getting what they want from cooking to depend on their PC's Cook skill, and (ii) for the difficulty of getting what they want to also be a function of the in-fiction difficulty of what is attempted, and (iii) for a failure to open up the door to narration of some adverse consequence other than a poor performance on the PC's part.My response is the same as to [USER=7040941]@Emberashh[/USER]: where is it written up in heaven that bandits interrupt your cooking and your camping is not a permissible consequence for a failed Cook test while in camp? Or, more generally, where is it decreed that the only logical failure narration, in a RPG, is that in the fiction the character performed poorly?</blockquote>

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