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<blockquote data-quote="happyhermit" data-source="post: 6940852" data-attributes="member: 6834463"><p>Wow, that makes my skin crawl, to say the least, as does much of the rest of your post. Generalizations such as this wherein a person not only attributes the same motivations to everyone who holds a particular opinion on a subject, but links that to race and ethnicity <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/worried.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":-S" title="Uhm :-S" data-shortname=":-S" />. </p><p></p><p>I don't think the people you are speaking about actually <em>wanted</em> to talk about "cultural appropriation", from what they have written, but were actually responding to it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As to the actual OT, this seems to come up a lot in online discussion, IRL it has never been a big deal for me so it's interesting to read. Sure, a lot of bad stereotypes get played, some people don't allow it but it isn't a big deal for the most part. A lot of the people who are problematic when playing another gender are problematic at other times too. I have seen quite a few instances of females depicting males that were not very good... at all... but, meh.</p><p></p><p>I think part of the problem comes from wish-fulfillment and the aforementioned "wanting to use gender to make a different character from oneself". </p><p></p><p>A large chunk of the "bad" RP by females playing males IME has been of the "If I were a man I would sleep with everyone and not care about their emotions or feel bad about it" and males playing essentially the same thing with a bit of the "sleep with everyone, toy with their emotions, and get free stuff in exchange". To some extent I have seen those same things by people playing their own gender, so not great but whatever.</p><p></p><p>The second part about using gender as a crutch to differentiate from oneself has it's own issues. If I think of myself as "myself but the opposite sex" for example, that does essentially nothing to differentiate the characters. There are people of the opposite gender who have the same job as me, the same political views, the same sense of humour, the same everything. There aren't a lot of them, but there aren't a lot of the same gender either. Gender does not differentiate the personality on the <u>individual level.</u> So, what happens is we tend to think in terms of the actual generalities that exist and apply those to the individual character. Instead of being "me with a different gender" the character becomes "me with some stereotypical traits of a different gender".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="happyhermit, post: 6940852, member: 6834463"] Wow, that makes my skin crawl, to say the least, as does much of the rest of your post. Generalizations such as this wherein a person not only attributes the same motivations to everyone who holds a particular opinion on a subject, but links that to race and ethnicity :-S. I don't think the people you are speaking about actually [I]wanted[/I] to talk about "cultural appropriation", from what they have written, but were actually responding to it. As to the actual OT, this seems to come up a lot in online discussion, IRL it has never been a big deal for me so it's interesting to read. Sure, a lot of bad stereotypes get played, some people don't allow it but it isn't a big deal for the most part. A lot of the people who are problematic when playing another gender are problematic at other times too. I have seen quite a few instances of females depicting males that were not very good... at all... but, meh. I think part of the problem comes from wish-fulfillment and the aforementioned "wanting to use gender to make a different character from oneself". A large chunk of the "bad" RP by females playing males IME has been of the "If I were a man I would sleep with everyone and not care about their emotions or feel bad about it" and males playing essentially the same thing with a bit of the "sleep with everyone, toy with their emotions, and get free stuff in exchange". To some extent I have seen those same things by people playing their own gender, so not great but whatever. The second part about using gender as a crutch to differentiate from oneself has it's own issues. If I think of myself as "myself but the opposite sex" for example, that does essentially nothing to differentiate the characters. There are people of the opposite gender who have the same job as me, the same political views, the same sense of humour, the same everything. There aren't a lot of them, but there aren't a lot of the same gender either. Gender does not differentiate the personality on the [U]individual level.[/U] So, what happens is we tend to think in terms of the actual generalities that exist and apply those to the individual character. Instead of being "me with a different gender" the character becomes "me with some stereotypical traits of a different gender". [/QUOTE]
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