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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Roseweave" data-source="post: 6981313" data-attributes="member: 6806914">Wow that was the biggest load of crap.Sorry, I've been too exhausted from arguing with actual Nazis lately to care about the people "SJWs" get fired. Or deal with your attempts to turn the argument around on me being a white saviour while dismissing minority concerns yourself, as if you actually care about tropes like that. Nope nope nope. In a more ideal environment I wouldn't need to speak up on behalf of others. But this isn't it. And I'm pretty tired of people who don't experience the same level of daily subjugation presenting themselves as "facts" not emotions - it's pretty easy to feel that way when you're not affected by it first hand. But that means your "facts" aren't being observed from a place of experience either. Your assessment of Drag vs. Trans is also wrong. Trans people merely by existing are subversive. And there isn't always a clear distinction. Just to be clear, while you're so concerned about transphobes, racists, aggressive misogynists and fascists getting fired, people like me struggle to find or hold down jobs. The intersection of employment rates for being trans, autistic, and wearing a headscarf is stupid low. So again, don't feel bad for bullies on this one. If anything it makes it all the more fitting a punishment. Let's be clear - "ostracization, unemployment, and public shaming" is exactly what people like me experience for EXISTING. The vast majority of bullies get away with their <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. Heck you can be a fascist bully and be elected to positions of power. Trying to make me feel bad for the people that either hate me or try to undermine attempts at progress towards a world that doesn't hate me isn't going to work. It seems like your "fact" book is missing a lot of statistics on how crap things can be for trans people. As opposed to people who talk down to minorities and tell them their own issues? Or try and garner sympathies for their oppressors? Yeah no thanks.Re: the Roma, I'm not saying I know better than them and you're pulling a disingenous trick then. Because I know people like you love to use examples of minorities that "disagree" to fuel your arguments ven when the majority might not be on their side. The fact is that the Roma are very focused on survival and quite cut off from the mainstream. For that reason, they're often not fully aware of certain aspects of the "gypsy" stereotypes, but almost all of them suffer from some form of it and recognise it to some degree. Those who are more integrated - the ones I learn my politics/activism from - will recognise these tropes as negative and call them out. My problem is that there will always be members of groups that DON'T - as you say "disagree" and you will hold these up as somehow more "valid" because they are more convenient to you(which is exactly what you goddamn do posting those youtube videos), without unpacking why someone might answer that to begin with. You call me a white saviour but your whole argument seems to be about centering you and your experiences and perspectives. The worst thing is - I do agree that Cultural Appropriation discussions do requires more nuance. But what you're proposing isn't nuance, it's just finding people who already agree with you and holding them up as examples of model minorities. Meanwhile, all the others who say otherwise are ignored. But who cares about Black/Trans feelings right? When we have normative cis white men & friends with their "facts" to sort us all out and set us straight because aside from a precious few enlightened that agree with the mainline cis white guy position, we obviously need guidance. Thank goodness we're not listening to some "white saviour" instead! Oh, wait...</blockquote>

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