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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Broccli_Head" data-source="post: 2727253" data-attributes="member: 105">red wedding,etcI didn't like the Red Wedding because as others have stated, it seemed like GRRM, the GM in this case decided to be arbitrary to push forward his plot/story. It seemed out of character for Rob Stark who had shown genius on the battlefield, and his paranoid mother Catelyn to be duped like that, not to mention his "I see bad aroudn every corner" advisors. They even had the wolf going nutzo as a hint and neither of them thought anything was untoward. They had Frey and one of his sons insult them, and they didnt get the hint. Totally out of character in my opinion. Plus, the "springing from the ground" of the crossbowmen. It just boggles, that a well-trained army could be duped like that. Now, had GRRM written it so that they were taken while sleeping off hangovers...more plausible.I also dont like his habit of keeping bad guys alive...the Cleaganes, Theon...when they are shown on camera to be moratlly wounded. What..bad guys have a stronger will to live? BS death for the Red Viper as well. Even heated by passion,  given the history of the Viper as told to us in the narrative, he was described as someone who does not loose his perspective in combat. At least Joffery and Catelyn's sister died.But by this example...I guess my point is that I appreciate a well-conceived death scene. Not one that seems arbitrary. As a counterpoint, Ned Starks death, though very tragic, was throughly a logical consequence of his actions, and within his character.</blockquote>

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