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When and where did the idea of Ranger as "wilderness rogue" start?
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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 9472174" data-attributes="member: 4348"><p>I addressed that. D8 started at 1st level...HOWEVER...They got 2d8 HP at first level. That means an average of 9 HP...vs. the Fighters and Paladin's 5.5 HP.</p><p></p><p>They got an average of 4.5 HP each level after that while the fighters got 5.5 HP.</p><p></p><p>Fighters didn't catch up on average till at least 4th or 5th level. </p><p></p><p>Rangers, unlike Fighters or Paladins (who needed a min of 9) needed a 14 or more in the Constitution score. This means by default, there were going to be many Rangers who had a 15 in the Cons or better in general comparatively, and thus would get a +1 HP per level more (making up that difference already) right there.</p><p></p><p>Rangers were NOT skirmishers in 1e unless you think someone who has as many HP as a fighter, can wear full plate, and does MORE damage against giant type foes than a Fighter is less of a warrior than a Paladin (who does not do more damage). IN addition, after the UA, if you incorporate Weapon specialization, only the Ranger gets weapon specialization besides the fighter. </p><p></p><p>Aragorn was a great fighter and the Ranger sort of copies that idea.</p><p></p><p>Still doable in 2e, even if the push was for a more lightly armored 2 weapon fighting type individual.</p><p></p><p>As I said before, seeing Rangers more as a Skirmisher like the Rogue is now, was more due to them changing WHAT the Rogue was and what it did vs. many of the things that happened to the Ranger. Give the Rogue a d6 (or worse, that d4 from BECMI!) with no sneak attack bonus damage like they have now and you'd see the Ranger still as more of a warrior than a Rogue (or other lightly armored martial type characters which are also skill monkeys).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 9472174, member: 4348"] I addressed that. D8 started at 1st level...HOWEVER...They got 2d8 HP at first level. That means an average of 9 HP...vs. the Fighters and Paladin's 5.5 HP. They got an average of 4.5 HP each level after that while the fighters got 5.5 HP. Fighters didn't catch up on average till at least 4th or 5th level. Rangers, unlike Fighters or Paladins (who needed a min of 9) needed a 14 or more in the Constitution score. This means by default, there were going to be many Rangers who had a 15 in the Cons or better in general comparatively, and thus would get a +1 HP per level more (making up that difference already) right there. Rangers were NOT skirmishers in 1e unless you think someone who has as many HP as a fighter, can wear full plate, and does MORE damage against giant type foes than a Fighter is less of a warrior than a Paladin (who does not do more damage). IN addition, after the UA, if you incorporate Weapon specialization, only the Ranger gets weapon specialization besides the fighter. Aragorn was a great fighter and the Ranger sort of copies that idea. Still doable in 2e, even if the push was for a more lightly armored 2 weapon fighting type individual. As I said before, seeing Rangers more as a Skirmisher like the Rogue is now, was more due to them changing WHAT the Rogue was and what it did vs. many of the things that happened to the Ranger. Give the Rogue a d6 (or worse, that d4 from BECMI!) with no sneak attack bonus damage like they have now and you'd see the Ranger still as more of a warrior than a Rogue (or other lightly armored martial type characters which are also skill monkeys). [/QUOTE]
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