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When and where did the idea of Ranger as "wilderness rogue" start?
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<blockquote data-quote="Clint_L" data-source="post: 9476366" data-attributes="member: 7035894"><p>I mained a ranger all through 1e, and he typically wore heavy plate, like every other PC ranger I encountered in 1e. He also used a great sword and a long bow as weapons of choice. This was very much in the tradition of Aragorn, who was skilled in the wilderness but a warrior and general, first and foremost, and armoured up for the big battles.</p><p></p><p>In 1e, rangers are not rogue adjacent at all, really, but subsequent editions changed that. So I found it interesting when 5e swerved back in the warrior direction: "warriors" is the first word in the class description, and they went back up to the same hit die as fighters and paladins (1e has them at D8s, but you get 2d8 at level 1 so it's basically a wash). 2024 seems to want to go slightly more in the rogue-ish direction.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Clint_L, post: 9476366, member: 7035894"] I mained a ranger all through 1e, and he typically wore heavy plate, like every other PC ranger I encountered in 1e. He also used a great sword and a long bow as weapons of choice. This was very much in the tradition of Aragorn, who was skilled in the wilderness but a warrior and general, first and foremost, and armoured up for the big battles. In 1e, rangers are not rogue adjacent at all, really, but subsequent editions changed that. So I found it interesting when 5e swerved back in the warrior direction: "warriors" is the first word in the class description, and they went back up to the same hit die as fighters and paladins (1e has them at D8s, but you get 2d8 at level 1 so it's basically a wash). 2024 seems to want to go slightly more in the rogue-ish direction. [/QUOTE]
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