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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Banshee16" data-source="post: 4844280" data-attributes="member: 7883">With all due respect, those setting ideas are as Mary Sue as the characters in the Prism Pentad....to some people.  Everyone thinks they have the best idea EVAR for how a campaign world should be set up/explained.  Doesn't mean all people will agree on the feeling.I don't think the player knowing that the Sorcerer Kings were former Champions of Rajaat necessarily means that the character will.  I mean, unless your characters are hanging with Sadira and Rikus, how would they ever know?  It's not exactly common knowledge.  To 99.9999999999% of the population of Athas, the Sorcerer-Kings are brutal, enigmatic, vile, and mega powerful beings who can crush most others like bugs.  Knowing that they're the former captains of a megalomaniacal fantasy contemporary of Hitler, and the world is in its current state due to a massive holocaust against a whole bunch of the nonhuman races doesn't diminish the setting any more.  I think it makes it even *more* tragic.  Athas has been horribly scarred by the process of genocide.  All that potential, all those people wiped out.  Now, the survivors, millenia later, eke out what living they can in the broken, burned, and depleted remnants of their planet, and they're *still* fighting each other.  To me, it was always a very bleak setting...especially once they described *why* it was the way it was.In any case, my whole point was that the materials, including novels, which come after initial setting launch do have purpose, and in many cases make very valuable contributions to campaign settings.......so I just feel that it's throwing the baby out with the bathwater to say that all products after the initial campaign setting launches only ever detracted from those settings.Banshee</blockquote>

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