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<blockquote data-quote="Ace" data-source="post: 3379479" data-attributes="member: 944">Rogues are plain fun to play but they aren't &quot;needed&quot; if you use the builder books If you want a trap springer there are tons of options out there. Ninja, Scout, Spell Thief, Variant Ranger If you want a skill monkey -- plenty of thoseSneak attack machine? Overrated at high level.Just for fun IMO the ultimate scout/trap monkey is a tweaked Ranger using UA and Dungeonscape . Go Barbarian 2/ Ranger X &nbsp;a Half Orc with decent stats using the drop styles for move and Wildshape option, the familiar option (from Dungeonscape)&nbsp; and the drop tracking/fast tracking for Trapsense and disable device. You need a good INT (12 is fine) to pull it off&nbsp;&nbsp; but what you get is a guy who can move 50 feet, turn into animals, has a familiar (I like Raven as it can warn the rest of the&nbsp; party)&nbsp; -- Track (for the cost of a feat) find traps fight with martial weapons and see in the dark.feats are TrackPB Shot Precise Shot whatever else you think you want</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ace, post: 3379479, member: 944"] Rogues are plain fun to play but they aren't "needed" if you use the builder books If you want a trap springer there are tons of options out there. Ninja, Scout, Spell Thief, Variant Ranger If you want a skill monkey -- plenty of those Sneak attack machine? Overrated at high level. Just for fun IMO the ultimate scout/trap monkey is a tweaked Ranger using UA and Dungeonscape . Go Barbarian 2/ Ranger X a Half Orc with decent stats using the drop styles for move and Wildshape option, the familiar option (from Dungeonscape) and the drop tracking/fast tracking for Trapsense and disable device. You need a good INT (12 is fine) to pull it off but what you get is a guy who can move 50 feet, turn into animals, has a familiar (I like Raven as it can warn the rest of the party) -- Track (for the cost of a feat) find traps fight with martial weapons and see in the dark. feats are Track PB Shot Precise Shot whatever else you think you want [/QUOTE]

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