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<blockquote data-quote="RUMBLETiGER" data-source="post: 5926052" data-attributes="member: 6674868">I think this is one of those areas where DM makes the call to determine what is fast, fair and fun.If I was DMing your scenario with my veteran players and they were actively roleplaying travel thru the woods, they'd only get a Listen and Spot check if they said they were making one.&nbsp; They should know better by now.If I was DMing with a newer group, or if I was feeling benevolent, as soon as the Panther had spotted the PC's and began stalking, I'd have the players roll.&nbsp; If they failed, I'd not make a big deal of it, I randomly call for rolls time to time anyway.&nbsp; I'd also roll to see if the Panther made a really poor Move Silently or Hide when the PC's were facing the Panther's way, and regardless of their rolls I'd say they heard a branch snap or saw a black mass move.&nbsp; Otherwise, if they never spot him when the cat get's within the range of Movement to close the gap, the Panther attacks and get's a surprise round.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RUMBLETiGER, post: 5926052, member: 6674868"] I think this is one of those areas where DM makes the call to determine what is fast, fair and fun. If I was DMing your scenario with my veteran players and they were actively roleplaying travel thru the woods, they'd only get a Listen and Spot check if they said they were making one. They should know better by now. If I was DMing with a newer group, or if I was feeling benevolent, as soon as the Panther had spotted the PC's and began stalking, I'd have the players roll. If they failed, I'd not make a big deal of it, I randomly call for rolls time to time anyway. I'd also roll to see if the Panther made a really poor Move Silently or Hide when the PC's were facing the Panther's way, and regardless of their rolls I'd say they heard a branch snap or saw a black mass move. Otherwise, if they never spot him when the cat get's within the range of Movement to close the gap, the Panther attacks and get's a surprise round. [/QUOTE]

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