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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rodney Mulraney" data-source="post: 7217314" data-attributes="member: 6904821">I like the rules as written, and didnt mean to imply anything else. What I said was about the tedium of having the rogue run around behind walls in EVERY encounter, when it is often appropriate for them to not have to do that.The rules state : "[...] so if you come out of hiding and approach a creature, it USUALLY sees you. [...]" : emphasis mine.Before that it says about them being aware and on the look out for danger... Anyway obviously if you run at an enemy it will see you. Makes perfect sense and hardly needs saying.But if the enemy is engaging a barbarian or whatever, the DM could rule you maintain your hidden attacker advantage. Again makes perfect sense and hardly needs saying.Both these things are rightly stated in the rules though, since it is best to spell things out in the rules as clearly as possible.What I said reflects the rules as written. What you said about the rules explicitly saying those enemies are aware, that seems to be misrepresenting the rules to me.Anyway I wouldnt know if I liked or disliked the rules until I understood (to my mind) what the rules even were. I believe I have grasped the rules on this, atleast basically, and I do not ignore what the rules say, I like the rules and before I knew if I liked the rules, I spent a lot of time reading forums and fine reading the core rule books so I even knew what the rules were saying.I believe I am accurately following the rules on this matter, and if I am not, then I would urgently want to educate myself on the matter.EDIT: So yeah, I really appologise if I come across as a jerk or whatever, but the idea is to be corrected and learn ASAP, if I am doing something wrong.</blockquote>

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