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<blockquote data-quote="Rodney Mulraney" data-source="post: 7217618" data-attributes="member: 6904821">You are adding that the enemies are engaging some other foe, that is not in the rules or assumed there as far as I can tell. The hider and the creature(s) are all that are specified in that text.Why do think that is implied?EDIT : Maybe you mistook something ? I was quoting part of the hiding text box in the PHB.EDIT2: Are you joking around or something? Your statements are pretty confusing, where do you get this from: &quot;Being engaged in melee combat with a barbarian is the standard for combat conditions, under which the assumptions of combat apply&quot;hmm ?EDIT3: ah I think I see what you mean, but yeah its not setup liek that, the chapter on combat that describes taking the hide action in combat, refers back to the previous chapter 7, &quot;Using ability scores&quot;, where the &quot;hiding&quot; &quot;blue text box&quot; is, that describes that. The forth paragraph in that text box starts with, &quot;In combat, [...]&quot;, refering back to the combat chapter where you can take the &quot;hide&quot; action. So you are a single rogue, in a &quot;initiative order 'combat'&quot; sequence, you hide, they are maintaining awareness. A further complication (distracting) is having an additional ally (barb) be fighting the creatures the rogue just hid from. This seems to be the natural and honest reading of this, to me.If we follow grices maxims, adding the barb to the default text in the hiding textbox is a breaking of the rules of communication.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rodney Mulraney, post: 7217618, member: 6904821"] You are adding that the enemies are engaging some other foe, that is not in the rules or assumed there as far as I can tell. The hider and the creature(s) are all that are specified in that text. Why do think that is implied? EDIT : Maybe you mistook something ? I was quoting part of the hiding text box in the PHB. EDIT2: Are you joking around or something? Your statements are pretty confusing, where do you get this from: "[COLOR=#333333][I]Being engaged in melee combat with a barbarian is the standard for combat conditions, under which the assumptions of combat apply[/I][/COLOR]" hmm ? EDIT3: ah I think I see what you mean, but yeah its not setup liek that, the chapter on combat that describes taking the hide action in combat, refers back to the previous chapter 7, "Using ability scores", where the "hiding" "blue text box" is, that describes that. The forth paragraph in that text box starts with, "In combat, [...]", refering back to the combat chapter where you can take the "hide" action. So you are a single rogue, in a "initiative order 'combat'" sequence, you hide, they are maintaining awareness. A further complication (distracting) is having an additional ally (barb) be fighting the creatures the rogue just hid from. This seems to be the natural and honest reading of this, to me. If we follow grices maxims, adding the barb to the default text in the hiding textbox is a breaking of the rules of communication. [/QUOTE]

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