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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 7218827" data-attributes="member: 2525">No, you sneak past guards. Sneaking is covered by the Dexterity (Stealth) ability check rules. Which is governed by the Dexterity (Stealth) ability check rules.They are both the same check and action. You make a Dexterity (Stealth) check for either one. If you are in combat you spend an action to make an ability check like that, and if you are out of combat you don't, but they're not actually different checks.  Stealth is not just a way of moving, and hiding is not purely visual in nature, it's all the same ability check using the identical rules, all covered by the Dexterity (Stealth) ability check rules.No the confusion is in thinking they're not.  They are in fact synonymous.  Jeremy Crawford demonstrates that constantly in the podcast you linked to. I asked you to show me where he says different, and you have not done so. You always do a Dexterity (Stealth) ability check.  Period. For all of it.  The only rule about whether or not it requires an action is the basic rule for all ability checks - if you are in or out of combat (IE if it makes a difference to call it an action or not). In addition, once hidden you don't have to spend an action to remain hidden until you are detected, but that's not a difference between "stealth" and "hiding" it's all still the identical rule about the identical thing. There is no separation between "hide" and "stealth". They are indeed synonymous in this game."Stealth" is not a verb. One does not "stealth" past something. The word you are looking for here is sneak. You sneak past a guard, and to do that you make a Dexterity (Stealth) check.You really didn't. You said in a direct quote, "It is NOT down to DM adjudication whether you can hide or not. If you think it is, you not playing 5e. Sorry but you are just completely wrong about that. The RAW says you CAN DO the HIDE action; as long as you have something to hide behind. This is RAI as well, as you can easily confirm."That was you attempting to belittle and intimidate someone, by claiming they were not playing D&D if they disagreed with you. And it's not the first time you've tried to do that in this very thread - earlier you suggested I must not have read the rules we were talking about if I disagreed with you, and also that I hadn't listened to the podcast if I disagreed with you. These are much more in the realm of personal attacks than discussions of the rules. Which is why I suggested, if you're going to go down that road, I am happy to directly quote some of your post to Jeremy Crawford and get the definitive answer in black and white that you crossed the line between stating facts about the rules to stating your questionable opinion about them. Shall we ask Crawford directly if there is a difference between "Stealth" and "Hide" in 5e? Because I am betting he will have no idea what you're talking about and will again refer to the Dexterity (Stealth) ability check rules for all of it.Well, that's a different question and one you should have perhaps started with.  The "proper" answer for 5e is it's very different from 3e and Pathfinder and 4e with respect to the philosophy of "Rules" vs "Rulings". For those other editions, the response of "Rules As Written" meant a lot more than it does with 5e. 5e very specifically and intentionally cares a lot less about things like "Rules as Written" and a lot more about "DMs making Rulings". So if you are asking what is "proper" 5e DMing? It's to not worry so much about the corner cases and intricacies of the rules text as if it were a religious text, and to make educated rulings based on your experience with the game and the rules.</blockquote>

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