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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 7219460" data-attributes="member: 6787503">You don't speak for "standard 5e". No, not if they aren't staying alert for danger. Creatures that focus their attention on other tasks do not contribute their passive Perception to noticing hidden threats. Have you heard of a heavily obscured area? Or the DM ruling the target's distracted, for that matter?I started this thread to get an idea of the kinds of circumstances under which other DMs and players would expect hiding to take place. Some recent discussions led me to believe there would be a wide variety of opinions on this subject. I'm actually surprised at the degree of consensus expressed so far, although there has been quite a bit of derailment that doesn't really address the OP.  I don't want to make this about how hiding works in general, just what circumstances in the fiction and what game-identified factors and conditions create the opportunity to hide.You say, "pretty much". I'm curious what the differences are, keeping in mind that when I say "hide", I'm talking about any attempt to avoid or escape the notice of another creature. Let's take these one at a time. Hiding, as the term is used in the game, is an attempt to avoid or escape the notice of another creature, whether you are moving or not. In game terms, it's an action, separate from your movement. Synonyms for hiding or trying to hide found in the game-book are: concealing yourself from someone, slinking past someone, slipping away from someone, sneaking up on or by someone, moving stealthily, trying to be stealthy, or using stealth. A creature that is hiding is also referred to in the game-book as a stealthy creature. In all cases, the thing which is being attempted is to keep someone from noticing you. Stealth is a skill which, if you are proficient, lets you add your proficiency bonus to any DEX (Stealth) checks you make when you try to hide (as above).So yes, I find your distinction between hiding and stealth to be inaccurate to say the least.Now, I agree with you that Perception relies on more of your senses than just vision. The odd thing here is that you assume I hold an incorrect opinion when I've made no statement to that effect, but I notice that's consistent with the general bent of your comments to other posters as well and not just me. I've listened to the podcast and I disagree. Perhaps it would serve your argument better if you had some specific quotes from the podcast that you felt supported you. Simply repeating your assertion that the podcast supports your position isn't very effective.</blockquote>

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