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<blockquote data-quote="Rodney Mulraney" data-source="post: 7219851" data-attributes="member: 6904821"><p>The ancient realisation that what seems obvious and "common sense" really needs to be well defined; gave rise to philosophy, science, formal descriptions, etc.. Formal definitions are not million point list; they are simple and short, criteria that allows you to clearly know when something is or is not in the category.</p><p></p><p>So whilst I appreciate your sentiment, and on the face of it it seems good wisdom; we in modern times know it is wrong.</p><p></p><p>Whilst the rule books are not and should not be written in pure formal language, they are atleast close enough so that people get a reasonable gist of how to operate a game.</p><p></p><p>It is not appropriate(1) to fight in the market; its rude, illegal, etc.. </p><p>It is appropriate(2) to fight in the market; you have the ability to do so.</p><p></p><p>[incidentally your "go to grade school" approach, implies 1, which is clearly incorrect WRT to the topic]</p><p></p><p>That is just one of the infinite formal fallacies (ambiguity) that people started to spot, which eventually totally destroyed our notion of common sense understanding. Common sense understanding no longer exists within fields that attempt to understand things.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Essentially it was realised we have no idea what people are talking about and cant possibly know, its far too complex... People that think about those things realised this, philosophers know and understand the least; No sorry they know they understand the least, so they know the most, since most people do not think that deeply about things, and have the false idea that they know/understand stuff.</p><p></p><p>Normally none of this really matters; unless you are a scientist or philosopher or something. However in "rulebooks" it comes to the fore, because they tend to get people really considering deeply what is being said. "rulebooks" straddle a strange place somewhere between formal papers and normal prose.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rodney Mulraney, post: 7219851, member: 6904821"] The ancient realisation that what seems obvious and "common sense" really needs to be well defined; gave rise to philosophy, science, formal descriptions, etc.. Formal definitions are not million point list; they are simple and short, criteria that allows you to clearly know when something is or is not in the category. So whilst I appreciate your sentiment, and on the face of it it seems good wisdom; we in modern times know it is wrong. Whilst the rule books are not and should not be written in pure formal language, they are atleast close enough so that people get a reasonable gist of how to operate a game. It is not appropriate(1) to fight in the market; its rude, illegal, etc.. It is appropriate(2) to fight in the market; you have the ability to do so. [incidentally your "go to grade school" approach, implies 1, which is clearly incorrect WRT to the topic] That is just one of the infinite formal fallacies (ambiguity) that people started to spot, which eventually totally destroyed our notion of common sense understanding. Common sense understanding no longer exists within fields that attempt to understand things. Essentially it was realised we have no idea what people are talking about and cant possibly know, its far too complex... People that think about those things realised this, philosophers know and understand the least; No sorry they know they understand the least, so they know the most, since most people do not think that deeply about things, and have the false idea that they know/understand stuff. Normally none of this really matters; unless you are a scientist or philosopher or something. However in "rulebooks" it comes to the fore, because they tend to get people really considering deeply what is being said. "rulebooks" straddle a strange place somewhere between formal papers and normal prose. [/QUOTE]
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