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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7220302" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>This is laughable. You quote wiki and then make assertions that aren't supported by your quote. Formal languages don't require unambiguous meaning, they require unambiguous construction -- the sentence and words follow all of the rules of the language. Unambiguous meaning doesn't flow from this, although might be helped. Symbolic mathematics is a formal language -- it has rules of construction such that 2+2=4 follows the rules but +=242 doesn't. But even following the rules doesn't mean truth is conveyed, because 2+2=5 is perfectly valid in the mathematics formal language, it's just untrue. As for ambiguity, that can be both trivially found in symbolic mathematics, such as 2+2>-898544451267. This is a proper construction in the language, also true, and also ambiguous in meaning. It has infinite correct answers and infinite incorrect answers.</p><p></p><p>To follow into the 5e rules, they are not presented in a formal language. Casual language has mutable rules of grammar and construction (slang is a good example), and 5e is written in casual, everyday language. It follows grammar and syntax rules well enough to get it's meaning across (it does pretty well), but doesn't meet the narrow requirements of formal language. And, even if written in a formal language (there are a few out there), the ambiguities of the ruleset would still survive -- I can write 'the DM decides when hiding is appropriate' in a formal framework and still have the ambiguity of the decision being arbitrary based on an individual's opinions. Formal language doesn't prevent this, it's just a framework that allows for clearly defined grammar and syntax in a language.</p><p></p><p>So, yeah, laughable. You clearly don't grasp the complexities of the concepts you're saying others don't understand while making assertions about those concepts that are facially untrue. Formal language doesn't result in unambiguous conclusions, it just results in unambiguous structure.</p><p></p><p>And, as I said, that was the least of the mistakes in your post. Your post doesn't refute the one it responds to, it postures and rambles and ultimately doesn't address anything except by bald assertion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7220302, member: 16814"] This is laughable. You quote wiki and then make assertions that aren't supported by your quote. Formal languages don't require unambiguous meaning, they require unambiguous construction -- the sentence and words follow all of the rules of the language. Unambiguous meaning doesn't flow from this, although might be helped. Symbolic mathematics is a formal language -- it has rules of construction such that 2+2=4 follows the rules but +=242 doesn't. But even following the rules doesn't mean truth is conveyed, because 2+2=5 is perfectly valid in the mathematics formal language, it's just untrue. As for ambiguity, that can be both trivially found in symbolic mathematics, such as 2+2>-898544451267. This is a proper construction in the language, also true, and also ambiguous in meaning. It has infinite correct answers and infinite incorrect answers. To follow into the 5e rules, they are not presented in a formal language. Casual language has mutable rules of grammar and construction (slang is a good example), and 5e is written in casual, everyday language. It follows grammar and syntax rules well enough to get it's meaning across (it does pretty well), but doesn't meet the narrow requirements of formal language. And, even if written in a formal language (there are a few out there), the ambiguities of the ruleset would still survive -- I can write 'the DM decides when hiding is appropriate' in a formal framework and still have the ambiguity of the decision being arbitrary based on an individual's opinions. Formal language doesn't prevent this, it's just a framework that allows for clearly defined grammar and syntax in a language. So, yeah, laughable. You clearly don't grasp the complexities of the concepts you're saying others don't understand while making assertions about those concepts that are facially untrue. Formal language doesn't result in unambiguous conclusions, it just results in unambiguous structure. And, as I said, that was the least of the mistakes in your post. Your post doesn't refute the one it responds to, it postures and rambles and ultimately doesn't address anything except by bald assertion. [/QUOTE]
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