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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Le Noir Faineant" data-source="post: 8753801" data-attributes="member: 30898">Of course I'm not finished! Your sources for those oddly specific numbers, please, if you don't mind. Because then we can debate them, and not your way of reading them. Weren't there a few pretty high-profile publications on this, recently? And aren't the actual legal docs still available online, perhaps even through some archive page? Like, of all look-up-able things, that's one that you can look up most easily.And what are we trying to debate through this, precisely? Because I'm certainly not "camp Arneson", or "camp Gygax" in this; that'd be "very 2005", I think. Like the first announcement that Castle Zagyg was "completed and would start shipping out in months", by the way. But you are a "camp Gygax", right? I'm usually not much of a detective, but your screen name kind of took away the mystery for me, there.This article gets published, and good part of the posters here - you, in particular - immediately start pooping on old Dave Arneson as if he had broken into your harem, and impregnated your many wives. - And I just wonder why: Arneson, for all we know, became a man of a certain spirituality, and went on to teach folks who then went out and did the thing. In contrast, the guys who still promote negative opinions about him to this very day - what did they do, specifically? Oh, yeah, they went on to become convention-touring micro-publishers, often not much better than the drunk old vet from "Jarhead": "Pay me a drink, and I'll tell you how I won the war." Or, well, rather something like: "I'll tell you how I sometimes was in the building where the cool stuff sometimes happened in the other room." - And made headlines as notorious vaporware sellers; let's not forget that, either.My "thesis" which you astutely anticipated earlier, is: Arneson, half-retired from the gaming industry as he was, was still a better ambassador for the hobby than most of the other vets, alive or dead.</blockquote>

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