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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 2962270" data-attributes="member: 29252">Well, staves already use the wielder's relavant ability score and feats (as well as caster level, if it's higher than the staff's), so a simple formula on a Heightened spell as the higher spell level should deal with staves (in the hands of primary spellcasters, anyway - Bards and Rogues with UMD are still going to have issues).  For other items....We have an item that comes in two versions: Slaying Arrow/Greater Slaying arrows; DC 20/23, market prices 2,282 / 4,057.  Hmm.  Requires Finger of Death / Heightened Finger of Death.  Caster level 13, price for a masterwork arrow is, what, 7 gp/arrow?  So the enchantment would then be 2,275/4,050.  Finger of Death is Sor/Wiz 7; minimum casting stat 17, a +3 modifier, leading to the DC 20.  2,275/(13*7)=25; 4,050/25=162=2*3*3*3*3; a 9th level Finger of Death would leave a caster level of 18 for the arrow, price wise - which is curious, normally, it would be 17 - would have a DC of 10+9+4=23 (as listed). A Superb Slaying Arrow (DC, oh, 25 say) should then be as a 10th level spell (ignorning the epic *10 for a moment) and require a casting stat of 20 (+5) and would need a caster level of 19 (extrapolating from non-epic progressions on spells, that is); 19*10*25=4,750 gp.  DC 28 would take, what, a 12th level spell equivalent, caster level 23, stat mod +6, for 6,900; DC 31 would be 14th, 27th, +7: 9,450 gp.  DC 34 16th, 31st, +8: 12,400 gp (this is for the enchantment, and doesn't include the cost of the arrow).Pipes of Pain: DC 14 would be a 3rd level spell with a minimimum casting stat; list price is 12,000 gp.  4,000 gp per spell level.  Listed caster level is 6th, and... hmm.  Doesn't divide readily; "base" value looks to be 666 and two thirds.  Working with that, DC 31 would be 14th, 27th, and +7 for 252,000 gp (again, ignoring the Epic *10 modifier).Eyes of Petrification: DC 19, caster level 11, 6th level spell, 98,000 gp.  "base" price seems to be 1484.8484...., so for DC 31 (14th spell level, 27th caster level) would be 561,272.72.... (ignoring the Epic *10 modifier).As for changing the +1/+2/+3/+whatever equivalent abilities?  I don't know of anything official; if we reverse-engeneer the above, and take a look at the prices on the enchantments of things....+1: 2,000+2: 8,000+3: 18,000+4: 32,000+5: 50,000+6: 72,000+7: 98,000+8: 128,000 +9: 162,000+10: 200,000Well, really, it's the same overarching order as the wondrous items - O(n^2); a Dagger of Venom is priced as a +2 Dagger; as it has a +1 Enhancement bonus of it's own, the DC 14 (3rd level spell) 1/day free action Poison effect is a +1 equivalent enhancement.  If we shrug and say each +1 is equivalent to +3 spell levels, then each +1 adds 4.5 to the save DC.Check with different item: the Life Drinker has a 40,000 gp cost tacked onto the price of the masterwork axe; closest price is +4 at 32,000 gp, with an 8,000 gp offset.  DC 16 would be a 4th level spell (which Enervation is).  The Greataxe itself is a +1 Weapon, so... hmm.  We have pricing for a +3 equivalent, plus 8,000 gp.  Hmm.... that doesn't fit the earlier hypothesis.  But then, the Lifedrinker has a continuous effect (each strike) whereas the Dagger of Venom is once/day.  That might be worth, say, a +1 or +2 Equivalent, with the 8,000 being change for the distinction between the 3rd and 4th level spell.... pattern could work.  Then the question, of course, becomes: is a +1 equivalent balanced as a +4.5 to the save DC of a selected special ability on the item?Oh, and if you're shooting off five Sleep Arrows each round, there's that pesky 1 that keeps coming into the equation; a 5% chance of knocking your opponent unconscious has a slightly meaningful probability of occurrence after three or four rounds.... assuming all the arrows hit.</blockquote>

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