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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8548007" data-attributes="member: 82106">My PHB calls Counterspell a level 3 wizard spell, and I see that there are a maximum of 3 3rd level spell slots available to a wizard. So, one of his three spells he can memorize at level 3 could be Counterspell, but there are a LOT of other good level 3 spells out there! Now, a few may be rituals, there's scrolls, there's other ways to sneak in an additional slot here and there I'm sure. Still, its not 1 of 11, its one of 3. 3rd level is also a pretty nice level, its loaded with goodies, so particularly tricky choice there.Counterspell would have been virtually worthless in 1e. It would take up a slot in your traveling book, as well as a memorization spot. It would require your action to use (almost surely based on things like Rod of Absorption) and have been subject to all the other restrictions of spell casting, and the vagueries of the initiative/segment system which could easily make casting it entirely moot! No doubt all this could have been mitigated with some special rule, but in general there's no chance anyone would ever really take it over Dispel Magic in AD&amp;D, so it was never seriously proposed (there were people to tried creating it, but it never got any traction).Its a viable tactic in 5e, but not overpowered, IMHO. The best possible result is you brick a 3rd level slot and get to cancel out some nasty spell attack by an opposition spell caster. Nice, but you could win other ways.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8548007, member: 82106"] My PHB calls Counterspell a level 3 wizard spell, and I see that there are a maximum of 3 3rd level spell slots available to a wizard. So, one of his three spells he can memorize at level 3 could be Counterspell, but there are a LOT of other good level 3 spells out there! Now, a few may be rituals, there's scrolls, there's other ways to sneak in an additional slot here and there I'm sure. Still, its not 1 of 11, its one of 3. 3rd level is also a pretty nice level, its loaded with goodies, so particularly tricky choice there. Counterspell would have been virtually worthless in 1e. It would take up a slot in your traveling book, as well as a memorization spot. It would require your action to use (almost surely based on things like Rod of Absorption) and have been subject to all the other restrictions of spell casting, and the vagueries of the initiative/segment system which could easily make casting it entirely moot! No doubt all this could have been mitigated with some special rule, but in general there's no chance anyone would ever really take it over Dispel Magic in AD&D, so it was never seriously proposed (there were people to tried creating it, but it never got any traction). Its a viable tactic in 5e, but not overpowered, IMHO. The best possible result is you brick a 3rd level slot and get to cancel out some nasty spell attack by an opposition spell caster. Nice, but you could win other ways. [/QUOTE]

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