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<blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 5998237" data-attributes="member: 59506"><p>I've been busy getting ready for school, so I'm just now getting caught up on about a weeks worth of ENWorld.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I agree. I do believe I'd have a hard time selling most people on the idea that MMO's are a superior form of social experience.</p><p> </p><p>So I guess it's a good thing I didn't make that claim... </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>One problem, you're making an assumption that someone won't want to hang out with them at all. They may have just grown tired of Tabletop Games. Just because someone prefers MMO's to a Tabletop experience, or their tastes changed in that direction, doesn't mean they necessarily prefer a machine to you. I'll agree though, that in a real friendship, this should be communicated. However, people are not perfect and don't always do this. Making assumptions like this can do nobody any good, especially oneself, and can quite likely make the situation worse. Before being insulted, it's usually best to find out if an insult actually took place, or being sure of what you're actually insulted about. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>No. An expectation certainly, but not an entitlement.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I haven't dropped anything by the wayside or created a strawman. In the scenario you describe, nowhere does that entitle one to make the assumption that their friend prefers a machine to you, nor to feel insulted by someone for that.</p><p> </p><p>Now if someone said they were going to play and didn't show, or just dropped off the face of the earth as you said, then feel insulted about them disrespecting you by not having the courtesy to tell you. However, that is not the same as being insulted because you think they prefer a machine to you, or prefer MMO's to Tabletop Games. Nobody involved in the posited scenario would have a justifiable entitlement to feel insulted because of someones venue preference. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Whether apples and oranges or not, feeling insulted can be triggered by more than one narrowly defined rationale. Just because the relationship isn't as personal, doesn't mean that it can't also be insulting. And we aren't talking about common business practices. We're talking about a specific situation where a company flat out said they were no longer providing certain products because their customers couldn't be trusted to not pirate them. Publicly stating to your customer base that they aren't trustworthy, is insulting your customer base. No matters of perception, no assumptions, it's the very definition of an insult.</p><p> </p><p>But that really isn't the point. I believe that one can't reasonably have an expectation that it's justified to be insulted about a percieved or assumed reason, and also have the expectation that others aren't justified in their reasons for being insulted.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I didn't disregard the last phrase. Umbran didn't state that as the reason for feeling insulted. The reason given was preferring a machine over a persons company. Dropping off the face of the earth certainly seemed like it contributed to the feeling, but it wasn't the stated reason for feeling insulted. I'm not in a habit of trying to divine what someone else means in a post (though I have occasionally been guilty of that). However, in this instance I attempted to respond to what was actually typed in the post, and only what was typed in the post...though I did refer to something Umbran posted about in another thread for comparison, but again, only what he actually posted in that thread.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="El Mahdi, post: 5998237, member: 59506"] I've been busy getting ready for school, so I'm just now getting caught up on about a weeks worth of ENWorld. I agree. I do believe I'd have a hard time selling most people on the idea that MMO's are a superior form of social experience. So I guess it's a good thing I didn't make that claim... One problem, you're making an assumption that someone won't want to hang out with them at all. They may have just grown tired of Tabletop Games. Just because someone prefers MMO's to a Tabletop experience, or their tastes changed in that direction, doesn't mean they necessarily prefer a machine to you. I'll agree though, that in a real friendship, this should be communicated. However, people are not perfect and don't always do this. Making assumptions like this can do nobody any good, especially oneself, and can quite likely make the situation worse. Before being insulted, it's usually best to find out if an insult actually took place, or being sure of what you're actually insulted about. No. An expectation certainly, but not an entitlement. I haven't dropped anything by the wayside or created a strawman. In the scenario you describe, nowhere does that entitle one to make the assumption that their friend prefers a machine to you, nor to feel insulted by someone for that. Now if someone said they were going to play and didn't show, or just dropped off the face of the earth as you said, then feel insulted about them disrespecting you by not having the courtesy to tell you. However, that is not the same as being insulted because you think they prefer a machine to you, or prefer MMO's to Tabletop Games. Nobody involved in the posited scenario would have a justifiable entitlement to feel insulted because of someones venue preference. Whether apples and oranges or not, feeling insulted can be triggered by more than one narrowly defined rationale. Just because the relationship isn't as personal, doesn't mean that it can't also be insulting. And we aren't talking about common business practices. We're talking about a specific situation where a company flat out said they were no longer providing certain products because their customers couldn't be trusted to not pirate them. Publicly stating to your customer base that they aren't trustworthy, is insulting your customer base. No matters of perception, no assumptions, it's the very definition of an insult. But that really isn't the point. I believe that one can't reasonably have an expectation that it's justified to be insulted about a percieved or assumed reason, and also have the expectation that others aren't justified in their reasons for being insulted. I didn't disregard the last phrase. Umbran didn't state that as the reason for feeling insulted. The reason given was preferring a machine over a persons company. Dropping off the face of the earth certainly seemed like it contributed to the feeling, but it wasn't the stated reason for feeling insulted. I'm not in a habit of trying to divine what someone else means in a post (though I have occasionally been guilty of that). However, in this instance I attempted to respond to what was actually typed in the post, and only what was typed in the post...though I did refer to something Umbran posted about in another thread for comparison, but again, only what he actually posted in that thread. [/QUOTE]
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