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When did gnomes fall from grace?
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<blockquote data-quote="Morgenstern" data-source="post: 2332804" data-attributes="member: 5485"><p>Then those aren't the ones I meant <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. I am recalling the specific use of the word "gnome", so perhaps I am thinking of some of his other stuff rather than the Silmarilion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I can sort of follow that from what I recall reading. It seemed to involve a large hall on another continent, but the elf-like trappings do seem to bleed through. Then again, his older races of Men have a lot more qualities that were only retained by elves by the times of the Red Book <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Funny.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In the Norse mythology I read they seem pretty distinct <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />, but I can see how he ended up with the current mix.</p><p></p><p>My point in bringing up Tolkien having used "gnomes" is that D&D's earliest incarnation(s) clearly draw almost exclusively from his work, and not from a broader mythological base. My own inclination is to totally rework them so they AREN'T just more of the same in the Small size category, or scrap them entirely in favor of any of a double handful of races that are more varied than just humans with cheap make-up <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Morgenstern, post: 2332804, member: 5485"] Then those aren't the ones I meant :). I am recalling the specific use of the word "gnome", so perhaps I am thinking of some of his other stuff rather than the Silmarilion. I can sort of follow that from what I recall reading. It seemed to involve a large hall on another continent, but the elf-like trappings do seem to bleed through. Then again, his older races of Men have a lot more qualities that were only retained by elves by the times of the Red Book :). Funny. In the Norse mythology I read they seem pretty distinct :), but I can see how he ended up with the current mix. My point in bringing up Tolkien having used "gnomes" is that D&D's earliest incarnation(s) clearly draw almost exclusively from his work, and not from a broader mythological base. My own inclination is to totally rework them so they AREN'T just more of the same in the Small size category, or scrap them entirely in favor of any of a double handful of races that are more varied than just humans with cheap make-up :). [/QUOTE]
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