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<blockquote data-quote="der_kluge" data-source="post: 4519258" data-attributes="member: 945">Two things -First, I stopped buying WoTC books years ago - when I realized I could find far more creative and imaginative stuff from 3rd party publishers. Nowadays, my whole campaign is based around 3rd party stuff - mostly Necromancer Games.Secondly, with 4th edition, I feel like the designers, isolated in a box amongst themselves, decided amongst themselves that they alone knew what was best for the game, and changed so much stuff in it, that it (to me) hardly feels like D&amp;D anymore. So, for me at least, part of why I hate 4e is the arrogance on the part of the designers that &quot;this is the most fun version ever!&quot; attitude that really grates on me. And I tend to agree with Aeolius that the attitude surrounding the design of the game really basically states that unless you're using the game to go around killing monsters, you're doing it wrong. Sorry. No thanks. I've got role-playing to do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="der_kluge, post: 4519258, member: 945"] Two things - First, I stopped buying WoTC books years ago - when I realized I could find far more creative and imaginative stuff from 3rd party publishers. Nowadays, my whole campaign is based around 3rd party stuff - mostly Necromancer Games. Secondly, with 4th edition, I feel like the designers, isolated in a box amongst themselves, decided amongst themselves that they alone knew what was best for the game, and changed so much stuff in it, that it (to me) hardly feels like D&D anymore. So, for me at least, part of why I hate 4e is the arrogance on the part of the designers that "this is the most fun version ever!" attitude that really grates on me. And I tend to agree with Aeolius that the attitude surrounding the design of the game really basically states that unless you're using the game to go around killing monsters, you're doing it wrong. Sorry. No thanks. I've got role-playing to do. [/QUOTE]

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