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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 4519366" data-attributes="member: 61155">They did and they didn't.  Look, every single gamer is going to have a different idea of what makes the perfect game. Fourth Edition IS designed entirely around gamer feedback and what many of their customer base wanted. But it simply isn't possible for it to satisfy everyone, just as Third Edition couldn't, or GURPS couldn't, or World of Darkness couldn't - every RPG has those who like it and those who don't.  They weren't specifically out to alienate you. They'd love to still have you as a customer - the entire goal of the company is to sell product! And I don't know if the issues, for you, are with every decision they have made - or if they have simply made some specific change so frustrating that you have turned away from all their other product in response.  Whatever the case, they can't please everyone at the same time. Every time they make a decision - make a choice of any kind - there will be some fans grateful for it and others who dislike it.  You don't find 4E to your taste. That's fine. This isn't because they designed a game to specifically drive you away - it is because they designed a game that they felt was what their audience was looking for, and it didn't end up being what you wanted in a game.  That's fine. There is no malevolent plan here, no conspiracy. People simply aren't a hive mind, and that's a good thing. And there is no one single target group that the game is 'for', or 'not for' - I've seen gamers who have been around since D&D started who think 4E is the best thing ever, and others who have loathed it. I've seen those who feel it is a callback to Second Edition after a Third Edition they despised; I've seen others who feel it only continues a trend that takes the game away from its roots. I've seen younger gamers who hate the changes it has made to the only edition they've experienced (3rd Ed), and others who have enjoyed the chance to see a new edition happening.  Why did WotC decide to stop listening to you specifically? I can't answer that. I'm not sure what the elements are that you specifically take umbrage with. The answer might be that they felt there were more fans who had an opposing viewpoint as to yours. Maybe they simply weren't getting the right feedback from people in your category. Maybe they were only hearing complaints about certain elements of the game, and it wasn't until they changed those elements that those who enjoyed them spoke up.  It is even harder to answer because each decision, each change, is seperate from the last. Some people love 4E but are upset with what they did with the Realms. Some are ok with that, but upset about the way they are going to be handling miniatures. Others might not like 4E, but love the changes they are making to the miniatures lines.  In the end, the only thing you can do is vote with your wallet, and give feedback where you can. And maybe there will be enough others who do the same for them to take note, and make changes to what you are looking for. Honestly, that is probably how many of these changes - with the game, with the miniatures - came to happen.  Or maybe that won't be the case. Many people felt just as alienated when Third Edition came around. Some were lured back to the game nonetheless, others are returning with 4E - and others still continue to stay away.  Like I said. The game can't be written for everyone. I don't think that WotC as a whole has gone in some strange new direction that has resulted in every single decision they make being anathema to your ideals. I think it far more likely that a few specific issues have cropped up to drive you away - or that, having decided 4E wasn't to your taste, there simply wasn't any specific need to grab any other material from WotC.  But really, the only one who can answer your question - regarding what it is that is driving you away from WotC's products - is yourself. And whatever the answer is, I honestly don't think it the result of any corporate conspiracy or because they specifically set out to target one part of the audience over another.  I think they set out to make a quality game, and feel they succeeded. Whether you disagree with that or not - whether or not you feel the game is for you - is your own decision to make, just as has been the case for every gamer with every edition of every game.</blockquote>

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