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<blockquote data-quote="justanobody" data-source="post: 4519803" data-attributes="member: 70778">The adventures would need to be the same for all attempts.Take KotS. Not claiming it to be a perfect adventure, but run different party compositions through it and see what happens.Have the following parties:*Optimally mixed roles*All wizards*All clerics*All fighters*All roguesUsing the standard older classes to compare you can see that the parties will be able to compare to older editions balance without having to match up new classes to older ones.Having to adjust for one specific class will only prove that the classes are not balanced if you cannot use the adventure for a single class group or a mixed class group.The only thing you should have to adjust would be the tactics used for smarter opponents of the PCs to make use of the strengths and weaknesses of the classes.If the survival rate of each of these parties throughout the campaign is not the same them you still have not achieved balance.Still you are wrong. Also having the permanent license plate that doesn't require constant fees and such makes older model cars cheaper save for gas and repair costs. You are just making a snap judgement on what other people do or do not do and have no evidence of the matter, otherwise you would know your statements were false, and that people still do use Model-Ts as their primary form of transportation.At least we are consistent.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="justanobody, post: 4519803, member: 70778"] The adventures would need to be the same for all attempts. Take KotS. Not claiming it to be a perfect adventure, but run different party compositions through it and see what happens. Have the following parties: *Optimally mixed roles *All wizards *All clerics *All fighters *All rogues Using the standard older classes to compare you can see that the parties will be able to compare to older editions balance without having to match up new classes to older ones. Having to adjust for one specific class will only prove that the classes are not balanced if you cannot use the adventure for a single class group or a mixed class group. The only thing you should have to adjust would be the tactics used for smarter opponents of the PCs to make use of the strengths and weaknesses of the classes. If the survival rate of each of these parties throughout the campaign is not the same them you still have not achieved balance. Still you are wrong. Also having the permanent license plate that doesn't require constant fees and such makes older model cars cheaper save for gas and repair costs. You are just making a snap judgement on what other people do or do not do and have no evidence of the matter, otherwise you would know your statements were false, and that people still do use Model-Ts as their primary form of transportation. At least we are consistent. [/QUOTE]

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