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<blockquote data-quote="Greg K" data-source="post: 4521925" data-attributes="member: 5038">For myself,&nbsp; it was when I started realizing the following:a)&nbsp; I liked products from numerous third party companies including Adamant, Green Ronin, and RPGObjects; b)&nbsp; I considered only 17 WOTC 3e DND supplements to be&nbsp; worth purchasing;- 8 of them without requiring a&nbsp; discount (Unearthed Arcana, MM2, Fiend Folio, Book of Vile Darkness, Fiendish Codex I, Lords of Madness, Heroes of Horror, Stormwrack)- and another 9 (Arms and Equipment Guide, Complete Arcane, Complete Warrior, Complete Mage, PHB2, DMG2, Dragonomicon, Sandstorm, Savage Species) provided that I could buy them at a minimum of&nbsp; 75-80% off the cover price. And, even then, less than 50% of the material in these&nbsp; products would be used.&nbsp; To date, I still don't own any of these, because other books have priority.(Note: To be fair, I haven't seen Cityscape or Ghostwalk so they might fall into one of the above categories);c) I didn't like d20 Star Wars (with the exception of its treatment of the force) or&nbsp; Star Wars:SE with its per encounter abiities, over consolidated skill lists, and removal of skill points ( a shame, because&nbsp; I like some of the other elements of SE like talent trees and the condition track); and d) I disliked WOTC's d20 Modern supplements (to be fair, I found d20 Future to be mediocre. Also,&nbsp; I haven't seen d20 Apocalypse or d20 Cyberscape so perhaps they are worth buying);</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greg K, post: 4521925, member: 5038"] For myself, it was when I started realizing the following: a) I liked products from numerous third party companies including Adamant, Green Ronin, and RPGObjects; b) I considered only 17 WOTC 3e DND supplements to be worth purchasing; - 8 of them without requiring a discount (Unearthed Arcana, MM2, Fiend Folio, Book of Vile Darkness, Fiendish Codex I, Lords of Madness, Heroes of Horror, Stormwrack) - and another 9 (Arms and Equipment Guide, Complete Arcane, Complete Warrior, Complete Mage, PHB2, DMG2, Dragonomicon, Sandstorm, Savage Species) provided that I could buy them at a minimum of 75-80% off the cover price. And, even then, less than 50% of the material in these products would be used. To date, I still don't own any of these, because other books have priority. (Note: To be fair, I haven't seen Cityscape or Ghostwalk so they might fall into one of the above categories); c) I didn't like d20 Star Wars (with the exception of its treatment of the force) or Star Wars:SE with its per encounter abiities, over consolidated skill lists, and removal of skill points ( a shame, because I like some of the other elements of SE like talent trees and the condition track); and d) I disliked WOTC's d20 Modern supplements (to be fair, I found d20 Future to be mediocre. Also, I haven't seen d20 Apocalypse or d20 Cyberscape so perhaps they are worth buying); [/QUOTE]

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