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<blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 4522379" data-attributes="member: 4892">Someone stated upthread that they feel &quot;attacked&quot; by &quot;rabid 4E fanboys.&quot;It's terms like &quot;rabid&quot; and &quot;fanboy&quot; that stir the pot. It's claims that 4E is nothing but a boardgame or combat skirmish game that to me seem like thinly-veiled claims of badwrongfun. This is when 4E fans feel attacked and come to the defense of the game. Adding &quot;IMHO&quot; to a condescending implied &quot;you're not really playing D&amp;D&quot; doesn't cut it.I see people discussing the specifics of what they like or don't like about 4E and everything goes fine. Its when people come in with the 4E hate buzzwords (too WoW, combat skirmish game, boardgame, pushing plastic) that imply that those who enjoy the new edition are playing the game wrong that the edition wars erupt again.I enjoy 4E and I don't see it as a boardgame. We do roleplay just as much as we did in all previous editions. I see more than &quot;pushing plastic&quot; around the battlemat. I can envision the why around the how. I don't mind discussing pieces of 4E that people don't enjoy, just like we did about aspects of 3.x. What I am tired of is the implied claims that we aren't playing a true RPG or D&amp;D or whatever, whether it is your humble opinion that we are or not.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vyvyan Basterd, post: 4522379, member: 4892"] Someone stated upthread that they feel "attacked" by "rabid 4E fanboys." It's terms like "rabid" and "fanboy" that stir the pot. It's claims that 4E is nothing but a boardgame or combat skirmish game that to me seem like thinly-veiled claims of badwrongfun. This is when 4E fans feel attacked and come to the defense of the game. Adding "IMHO" to a condescending implied "you're not really playing D&D" doesn't cut it. I see people discussing the specifics of what they like or don't like about 4E and everything goes fine. Its when people come in with the 4E hate buzzwords (too WoW, combat skirmish game, boardgame, pushing plastic) that imply that those who enjoy the new edition are playing the game wrong that the edition wars erupt again. I enjoy 4E and I don't see it as a boardgame. We do roleplay just as much as we did in all previous editions. I see more than "pushing plastic" around the battlemat. I can envision the why around the how. I don't mind discussing pieces of 4E that people don't enjoy, just like we did about aspects of 3.x. What I am tired of is the implied claims that we aren't playing a true RPG or D&D or whatever, whether it is your humble opinion that we are or not. [/QUOTE]

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