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<blockquote data-quote="teach" data-source="post: 4522395" data-attributes="member: 45322"><p>I think Vyvyan is correct here. The buzzwords that are used by some in their attacks seem to sidetrack any serious discussion about the differences between the editions, which I think is a shame because it's a really interesting and enlightening discussion.&nbsp; I would hope that other people who want to have a serious discussion about this topic would seek to avoid to use the terms that Vyvyan has stated.&nbsp; I'm sure that there are terms or phrases that 4e fan use that can cause the same reaction in fans of the older editions.&nbsp;&nbsp; However, as I am a fan of 4e myself (getting stuff together to go DM the WEekend in the Realms as I type this post) I'm not really in a great position to state them.&nbsp; I could imagine one would be the way that much of the early 4e promotion seemed to highlight things that were broken in 3e and thus imply that 3e wasn't a good game and needed to be scrapped.&nbsp; My hope is that someone who is a fan of the older editions could let those of us 4e fans know what we say that can be taken negatively because of the words we use.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="teach, post: 4522395, member: 45322"] I think Vyvyan is correct here. The buzzwords that are used by some in their attacks seem to sidetrack any serious discussion about the differences between the editions, which I think is a shame because it's a really interesting and enlightening discussion. I would hope that other people who want to have a serious discussion about this topic would seek to avoid to use the terms that Vyvyan has stated. I'm sure that there are terms or phrases that 4e fan use that can cause the same reaction in fans of the older editions. However, as I am a fan of 4e myself (getting stuff together to go DM the WEekend in the Realms as I type this post) I'm not really in a great position to state them. I could imagine one would be the way that much of the early 4e promotion seemed to highlight things that were broken in 3e and thus imply that 3e wasn't a good game and needed to be scrapped. My hope is that someone who is a fan of the older editions could let those of us 4e fans know what we say that can be taken negatively because of the words we use. [/QUOTE]

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