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<blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 4523137" data-attributes="member: 4892">I'm open to reasoned discussion of why a person likes or dislikes any edition and at least implied as much in the post you quoted.I didn't reduce the post to an angry tirade. Many of those posts espoused detailed reasons for a dislike of 4E. But then used the buzzwords to sum up their point. Saying that an RPG like 4E is a &quot;tactical wargame&quot; or a &quot;boardgame&quot; belittles the game and by association belittles the players of said game. Discussing the specific changes made that lead you to hold this opinion doesn't offend players of the game as much as claiming that their RPG of choice actually isn't an RPG.I have never said this. See above for ways to discuss the many flaws you see in 4E without pushing the buttons of those who enjoy the game. Some of those who enjoy the game might even agree with some of the elements you dislike.Re: WoW - Most people calling 4E &quot;too Wow&quot; are not saying it positively.People tend to get angry and gnash their teeth when they feel someone else is belittling their favorite hobby. I have to admit I used to act the same way. I joked about &quot;Magic: the Addiction&quot; and LARPers. I tried the former and found it enjoyable. I realized that players of the latter enjoy the game. I don't need to understand why they do and I don't need to go on messageboards related to their hobby and belittle the game and its players.And that's MY humble opinion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vyvyan Basterd, post: 4523137, member: 4892"] I'm open to reasoned discussion of why a person likes or dislikes any edition and at least implied as much in the post you quoted. I didn't reduce the post to an angry tirade. Many of those posts espoused detailed reasons for a dislike of 4E. But then used the buzzwords to sum up their point. Saying that an RPG like 4E is a "tactical wargame" or a "boardgame" belittles the game and by association belittles the players of said game. Discussing the specific changes made that lead you to hold this opinion doesn't offend players of the game as much as claiming that their RPG of choice actually isn't an RPG. I have never said this. See above for ways to discuss the many flaws you see in 4E without pushing the buttons of those who enjoy the game. Some of those who enjoy the game might even agree with some of the elements you dislike. Re: WoW - Most people calling 4E "[B]too[/B] Wow" are not saying it positively. People tend to get angry and gnash their teeth when they feel someone else is belittling their favorite hobby. I have to admit I used to act the same way. I joked about "Magic: the Addiction" and LARPers. I tried the former and found it enjoyable. I realized that players of the latter enjoy the game. I don't need to understand why they do and I don't need to go on messageboards related to their hobby and belittle the game and its players. And that's MY humble opinion. [/QUOTE]

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