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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gothmog" data-source="post: 4523497" data-attributes="member: 317">Maybe you never said or thought negative things about 3e, but some folks did.  The frothing nerdrage when 3e came out was just as silly and misinformed as the frothing nerdrage with 4e, its just coming from different folks.  I know for me and my group, 3e/3.5 was seriously broken, and we quit playing in 2005.  You have to realize there is no one real gold standard or right way to play, and each person has their own preferences.  Just play what you like, and don't worry what other people do.You know, using langues like "rabies" and "cult member" doesn't do anything but stoke the ire of those you label with such terms, and in fact it demonstrates you can't get your message across without labeling and demeaning others, which weakens your arguement and makes others completely discount your opinions.  You realize when you respond in the same ways you accuse others of acting, other people will see you in the same light?  ProfessorCirno, I've seen you post enough to know you're a smart guy, so why go on with the needless antagonism?Have some 4e fans overreacted and lashed out?  Sure.  But in every context I've seen, its been when someone else attacked their likes or playstyle as  "badwrongfun" (or with the implication its badwrongfun).  I'll admit to getting irked by some of the asinine things I've seen, but if I respond, I try to do so in a calm manner and explain myself.As for why the edition wars continue, I think its for the following reasons:1. Some people don't like 4e from a mechanical/tradition standpoint, and thats a valid criticism.  4e is quite a bit different in that it uses new mechanics for some things, and did break with some of the long-standing traditions of D&D.  I personally like what they have done, but I understand others might not.  Everybody has their own tastes, and 4e isn't a perfect system (and I know few who would say it is).  But for many of us, its more fun than 3.x, and we're having fun playing and running it.2. Some folks feel like they've already spent too much time/money on 3.x, and don't want to invest in a new system.  Again, a perfectly valid reason to stay with something you know and already enjoy.3. Some players thought 3.x was fine the way it was, and feel "betrayed" by WotC, and lash out at 4e as its successor.  Not based on the merits or faults of the system, but out of some personal angst.  This is where a lot of the frothing nerdrage posts come from IMO, because to be honest, a mentally stable person wouldn't get THAT upset about a game (and yes, I do understand this is the internet, and people overstate their opinions to the extreme).  Find something you like and play it, but don't demean others who don't share your views and deride them as having "badwrongfun".Now, I do think some 4e fans tend to have a hair-trigger response when 4e is criticized because of the extreme name-calling and antagonism of the pro-3.x crowd instigated back when 4e was announced last fall, and that continues to this day by about half a dozen posters on this site.  After a while, its easy to get on the defensive, and see malice where none was intended.  Terms like "tabletop skirmsh/wargame", "WoW-like", or "boardgame" (to name a few), are not negative in and of themselves, but they are usually intended to demean 4e and its players as having "badwrongfun".  A lot of the "rabies" behavior you're seeing is coming from people who are sick and tired of having to defend their likes against constant attack, and being told they are playing "t-ball" D&D.  Most pro-4e posters aren't angry at all about the new edition, and in fact would post happily all day about how much fun we're having- there is no need for angst or angry flare-ups from the pro-4e crowd.  Its the constant claims of "badwrongfun" and infantile gaming that get the 4e supporters riled up.If I have personally lashed out at you or anybody else during this time, I apologize, but I don't see why we can't treat everybody's opinions and likes with respect and discuss things rationally, rather than devolving into name calling and deriding others likes as infantile.</blockquote>

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