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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4524049" data-attributes="member: 22779">The reason I'm not counting skills is because we're discussing how classes expand on non-combat roles.&nbsp; Since skills (by and large) are available to all classes, they are not exclusive to any single class.&nbsp; Thus, I don't count them when discussing how class creates non-combat roles. Nothing about being a fighter lends itself to non-combat roles.&nbsp; Actually, if you include skills in the equation, being a fighter actively works against non-combat roles since you only have 2 skills per level to work with.&nbsp; Sure, you can give fighter class access to diplomacy, for example, but, at the end of the day, he's still only going to get two skills.You can have a fighter with a diplomacy of 15 or a rogue with a diplomacy with 15.&nbsp; Either way, the class had nothing to do with your non-combat role.&nbsp; Neither class gives any bonuses or benefits to having a diplomacy score.That's why I refute the idea that class in 3e lends itself to non-combat roles.&nbsp; If anything, it works against it because of the limitations on how many skills you get per level and cross class skills.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 4524049, member: 22779"] The reason I'm not counting skills is because we're discussing how classes expand on non-combat roles. Since skills (by and large) are available to all classes, they are not exclusive to any single class. Thus, I don't count them when discussing how class creates non-combat roles. Nothing about being a fighter lends itself to non-combat roles. Actually, if you include skills in the equation, being a fighter actively works against non-combat roles since you only have 2 skills per level to work with. Sure, you can give fighter class access to diplomacy, for example, but, at the end of the day, he's still only going to get two skills. You can have a fighter with a diplomacy of 15 or a rogue with a diplomacy with 15. Either way, the class had nothing to do with your non-combat role. Neither class gives any bonuses or benefits to having a diplomacy score. That's why I refute the idea that class in 3e lends itself to non-combat roles. If anything, it works against it because of the limitations on how many skills you get per level and cross class skills. [/QUOTE]

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