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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 4525631" data-attributes="member: 2067">I just noticed this, and I think it's a fun question:I'd prefer some abstract, gamist haiku rules, but I haven't seen any. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> And one big effect that Perform (Haiku) had in 3e if I was a fighter was that I could roll to see how well I did, and have a &quot;mortal baseline&quot; to compare it against. I could challenge wandering minstrels to Haiku contests in exchange for precious information. I could roll well and deliver a well-crafted Haiku in the presence of the suspicious baron who thinks that all adventurers are trashy vagabonds who make a mess. And if I multiclassed into Bard, I could use it for my Bardic Music. And if it was a big part of my character, maybe my DM and I could synch up on some Haikunomancer PrC that helped me multiclass Bard and Fighter without being too gimped. I could gain (and quest for!) several Perform or Cha-enhancing magic items, many of which I could use with much more skill than any other fighter. But perhaps the most significant thing I could do with Perform (Haiku) in 3e that I can't do out-of-the-box in 4e is actually have and use a Perform (Haiku) skill. 3e's system might not have been amazing, but, compared to 4e's system, it gets the job done better.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 4525631, member: 2067"] I just noticed this, and I think it's a fun question: I'd prefer some abstract, gamist haiku rules, but I haven't seen any. ;) And one big effect that Perform (Haiku) had in 3e if I was a fighter was that I could roll to see how well I did, and have a "mortal baseline" to compare it against. I could challenge wandering minstrels to Haiku contests in exchange for precious information. I could roll well and deliver a well-crafted Haiku in the presence of the suspicious baron who thinks that all adventurers are trashy vagabonds who make a mess. And if I multiclassed into Bard, I could use it for my Bardic Music. And if it was a big part of my character, maybe my DM and I could synch up on some Haikunomancer PrC that helped me multiclass Bard and Fighter without being too gimped. I could gain (and quest for!) several Perform or Cha-enhancing magic items, many of which I could use with much more skill than any other fighter. But perhaps the most significant thing I could do with Perform (Haiku) in 3e that I can't do out-of-the-box in 4e is actually have and use a Perform (Haiku) skill. 3e's system might not have been amazing, but, compared to 4e's system, it gets the job done better. [/QUOTE]

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