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When did the Fighter become "defender"?
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<blockquote data-quote="Eldritch_Lord" data-source="post: 5909539" data-attributes="member: 52073"><p>Not true. HP bloat is a major problem, but other numerical and non-numerical aspects are problematic as well. Looking at just the fighter, going from 2e to 3e he lost the ability to move more than 5 feet and get all of his attacks, his saves dropped dramatically, the effectiveness of iterative attacks was diminished, relative damage for 2H/TWF/S&B changed, his Str and Con advantage relative to other classes was lost, and much more. Listing system-wide changes that screwed martial types would take a lot longer. HP bloat is <em>a</em> problem, but it isn't <em>the</em> problem.</p><p></p><p>And DR shouldn't be removed. Having a flat reduction of damage instead of AC's percentage reduction is a good mechanic for variety. The problem is that there are two similar mechanics with different properties: DR applies only to physical damage, while resistance applies only to energy damage, and DR is inclusive ("reduce all damage except from X") while resistance is exclusive ("don't reduce any damage except from X"). What I'd personally like to see is blasting spells boosted back up to AD&D relative strengths, then DR made to affect <em>all</em> damage, not just physical damage, the same way DR in SWSE affects energy and physical damage alike. Giving the fighter ways to bypass or mitigate DR to an extent would not only help him not be hindered overmuch by DR but would also solidify his claim to being the best combat guy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A few months ago, I found myself in a four-way argument with one 1e fan, one 3e fan, and one 4e fan, arguing against all of them at various points (I admit, I was effectively the 2e fan in the argument. Planescape and Dark Sun forever!). It looked like people were going to lose their tempers very shortly until the 3e fan and 4e fan realized that they were <em>actually agreeing</em> on some points, however tenuous, and that basically stopped the argument cold. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eldritch_Lord, post: 5909539, member: 52073"] Not true. HP bloat is a major problem, but other numerical and non-numerical aspects are problematic as well. Looking at just the fighter, going from 2e to 3e he lost the ability to move more than 5 feet and get all of his attacks, his saves dropped dramatically, the effectiveness of iterative attacks was diminished, relative damage for 2H/TWF/S&B changed, his Str and Con advantage relative to other classes was lost, and much more. Listing system-wide changes that screwed martial types would take a lot longer. HP bloat is [I]a[/I] problem, but it isn't [I]the[/I] problem. And DR shouldn't be removed. Having a flat reduction of damage instead of AC's percentage reduction is a good mechanic for variety. The problem is that there are two similar mechanics with different properties: DR applies only to physical damage, while resistance applies only to energy damage, and DR is inclusive ("reduce all damage except from X") while resistance is exclusive ("don't reduce any damage except from X"). What I'd personally like to see is blasting spells boosted back up to AD&D relative strengths, then DR made to affect [I]all[/I] damage, not just physical damage, the same way DR in SWSE affects energy and physical damage alike. Giving the fighter ways to bypass or mitigate DR to an extent would not only help him not be hindered overmuch by DR but would also solidify his claim to being the best combat guy. A few months ago, I found myself in a four-way argument with one 1e fan, one 3e fan, and one 4e fan, arguing against all of them at various points (I admit, I was effectively the 2e fan in the argument. Planescape and Dark Sun forever!). It looked like people were going to lose their tempers very shortly until the 3e fan and 4e fan realized that they were [I]actually agreeing[/I] on some points, however tenuous, and that basically stopped the argument cold. ;) [/QUOTE]
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