Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
When did We Stop Trusting Game Designers?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 4589580" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>I kinda sorta stumbled across an interesting observation in the past few days. I was reading (un)reason's excellent <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/239789-lets-read-entire-run-15.html" target="_blank">Let's Read the Entire Run</a> thread and he mentioned this little tidbit from Dragon 66, it's in a letter from EGG:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Later, in one of the "Where has the Magic Gone" <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/246860-forked-thread-maybe-where-magic-went-magic-shop-3.html" target="_blank">Forked Threads</a>, there is a lively discussion about what is said in the 2e DMG:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now, a thought hit me. What would happen if Mike Mearls had written either of these two bits in a recent Dragon magazine? There would be a mad rush of vitriol being spilled all over the forums. How dare he dictate my campaign world to me, would be the rallying cry.</p><p></p><p>Yet, EGG flat out dictates your world to you and no one raises an eyebrow. Zeb Cook does the same thing and is lauded by some for maintaining the mystery of magic items. </p><p></p><p>At what point did game designers go from "Guys who want to make my game better" to "Those bastards who are trying to ruin MY game!"?</p><p></p><p>Does it go all the way back to the launch of 3e? When so many people simply refused to accept 3e as a "viable" version of D&D? The buyout of WOTC by Hasbro? 3.5? The end of print Dungeon/Dragon? Announcement of 4e? When did we stop trusting the game designers? </p><p></p><p>Heck, in a recent thread I saw someone decrying the verbiage in WOTC design blogs. The "Cloudwatching" blog IIRC. To the point where they accused WOTC of editing the blog after the fact to make it look like they weren't being so negative. The truly weird thing to me was that people actually took this seriously. Some posters actually found it easier to believe that WOTC would, after the fact, go back and edit a blog post to remove any "incriminating" evidence rather than believe that some random anonymous person on the internet would over react.</p><p></p><p>I just find the whole thing endless facinating in a trainwreck, car accident on the side of the road sort of way.</p><p></p><p>So, I put it to you, when did "game designer" become synonymous with "something icky I scraped off my shoe"?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 4589580, member: 22779"] I kinda sorta stumbled across an interesting observation in the past few days. I was reading (un)reason's excellent [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/239789-lets-read-entire-run-15.html]Let's Read the Entire Run[/url] thread and he mentioned this little tidbit from Dragon 66, it's in a letter from EGG: Later, in one of the "Where has the Magic Gone" [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/246860-forked-thread-maybe-where-magic-went-magic-shop-3.html]Forked Threads[/url], there is a lively discussion about what is said in the 2e DMG: Now, a thought hit me. What would happen if Mike Mearls had written either of these two bits in a recent Dragon magazine? There would be a mad rush of vitriol being spilled all over the forums. How dare he dictate my campaign world to me, would be the rallying cry. Yet, EGG flat out dictates your world to you and no one raises an eyebrow. Zeb Cook does the same thing and is lauded by some for maintaining the mystery of magic items. At what point did game designers go from "Guys who want to make my game better" to "Those bastards who are trying to ruin MY game!"? Does it go all the way back to the launch of 3e? When so many people simply refused to accept 3e as a "viable" version of D&D? The buyout of WOTC by Hasbro? 3.5? The end of print Dungeon/Dragon? Announcement of 4e? When did we stop trusting the game designers? Heck, in a recent thread I saw someone decrying the verbiage in WOTC design blogs. The "Cloudwatching" blog IIRC. To the point where they accused WOTC of editing the blog after the fact to make it look like they weren't being so negative. The truly weird thing to me was that people actually took this seriously. Some posters actually found it easier to believe that WOTC would, after the fact, go back and edit a blog post to remove any "incriminating" evidence rather than believe that some random anonymous person on the internet would over react. I just find the whole thing endless facinating in a trainwreck, car accident on the side of the road sort of way. So, I put it to you, when did "game designer" become synonymous with "something icky I scraped off my shoe"? [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
When did We Stop Trusting Game Designers?
Top