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<blockquote data-quote="El Mahdi" data-source="post: 4593597" data-attributes="member: 59506">I'm sorry, but exactly what &quot;IMMENSE amount of negative advertisement&quot; are you referring to?&nbsp;I saw a lot of design discussion about 4E. A lot of design discussion about shortcomings in the 3E rules that they were attempting to address with changes in 4E. How does having an objective discussion about percieved shortcomings or flaws, whether real or not, or perceived universally or not, mean that what's being said is &quot;negative advertisement&quot;? I slavishly followed all of the online news, especially here on ENWorld and WoTC, for every tidbit of info about 4E from the moment it was anounced. Now, I won't say I saw or read absolutely everything during that period, but I caught most of it, and frankly, I just didn't see what you are saying was there.&nbsp;I already had strong ideas about what I perceived as problems with 3E, and I even felt that some of the ideas and concepts put forth in 4E were better than their counterpart concepts in 3E - but I never felt that there was &quot;negative advertisement&quot; taking place. I don't understand this need to ascribe malevolent intent to the designers of 4E, and even to the system itself?&nbsp;Don't get me wrong. Personally, I feel that 4E fell far short of what I expected it would be based on the pre-release info. And I feel that 3E is an overall, better system. But I have no negative emotions towards 4E or it's designers, same as I'm sure they have no negative emotions or intent towards me or my preferred system.&nbsp;So, my question is, where does this sense of malevolent intent on the part of 4E and 4E's designers come from?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="El Mahdi, post: 4593597, member: 59506"] I'm sorry, but exactly what [I]"IMMENSE amount of negative advertisement"[/I] are you referring to? I saw a lot of design discussion about 4E. A lot of design discussion about shortcomings in the 3E rules that they were attempting to address with changes in 4E. How does having an objective discussion about percieved shortcomings or flaws, whether real or not, or perceived universally or not, mean that what's being said is [I]"negative advertisement"[/I]? I slavishly followed all of the online news, especially here on ENWorld and WoTC, for every tidbit of info about 4E from the moment it was anounced. Now, I won't say I saw or read absolutely everything during that period, but I caught most of it, and frankly, I just didn't see what you are saying was there. I already had strong ideas about what I perceived as problems with 3E, and I even felt that some of the ideas and concepts put forth in 4E were better than their counterpart concepts in 3E - but I never felt that there was [I]"negative advertisement[/I]" taking place. I don't understand this need to ascribe malevolent intent to the designers of 4E, and even to the system itself? Don't get me wrong. Personally, I feel that 4E fell far short of what I expected it would be based on the pre-release info. And I feel that 3E is an overall, better system. But I have no negative emotions towards 4E or it's designers, same as I'm sure they have no negative emotions or intent towards me or my preferred system. So, my question is, where does this sense of malevolent intent on the part of 4E and 4E's designers come from? [/QUOTE]

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