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When did WotC D&D "Jump the Shark"?
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<blockquote data-quote="TerraDave" data-source="post: 5531188" data-attributes="member: 22260"><p>That may not be the perfect analogy, but <em>something</em> has been up. </p><p></p><p>Lets review (going back about a year, then forward):</p><p></p><p>*Wave of Updates</p><p>*More layoffs (Heinso, Collins...)</p><p>*Essentials</p><p>*Online CB</p><p>*Dropping Products</p><p>*New Direction in continuing products (this is still playing out)</p><p>*Changes to online content (still playing out)</p><p>*Fortune Cards (also still playing out, but not looking good)</p><p></p><p>4E has been interesting to watch. A rough launch, with a negative tone (at least for 3E fans), end of print Dragon and Dungeon, Gleemax and the 3D VT, a delayed GSL no one likes, seeming lack of play-testing, some out of gate errata/issues (stealth, minions, solo HP), slow death of the minis...</p><p></p><p>BUT, the game is saved by actually being pretty good, and then you have the compendium and CB and some good follow on products (e.g. PHB II, DMG II, Open Grave...). I think we perceived this as a big recovery and strong period for the game. And one that continues, with last summer feeling like a peak. </p><p></p><p>I guess this was not strong enough. For whatever reasons WotC has clearly felt pressure to do better and different, and has just been throwing stuff out there, one thing after another, and it seems pretty obvious some of this has been rushed. </p><p></p><p>I still feel optimistic. The product slowdown was probably warranted, the dumber stuff (ok, fortune cards) will go away, the online stuff will get fixed.</p><p></p><p>But, Mercurius could be right, terminal decline may be here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TerraDave, post: 5531188, member: 22260"] That may not be the perfect analogy, but [I]something[/I] has been up. Lets review (going back about a year, then forward): *Wave of Updates *More layoffs (Heinso, Collins...) *Essentials *Online CB *Dropping Products *New Direction in continuing products (this is still playing out) *Changes to online content (still playing out) *Fortune Cards (also still playing out, but not looking good) 4E has been interesting to watch. A rough launch, with a negative tone (at least for 3E fans), end of print Dragon and Dungeon, Gleemax and the 3D VT, a delayed GSL no one likes, seeming lack of play-testing, some out of gate errata/issues (stealth, minions, solo HP), slow death of the minis... BUT, the game is saved by actually being pretty good, and then you have the compendium and CB and some good follow on products (e.g. PHB II, DMG II, Open Grave...). I think we perceived this as a big recovery and strong period for the game. And one that continues, with last summer feeling like a peak. I guess this was not strong enough. For whatever reasons WotC has clearly felt pressure to do better and different, and has just been throwing stuff out there, one thing after another, and it seems pretty obvious some of this has been rushed. I still feel optimistic. The product slowdown was probably warranted, the dumber stuff (ok, fortune cards) will go away, the online stuff will get fixed. But, Mercurius could be right, terminal decline may be here. [/QUOTE]
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