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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheYeti1775" data-source="post: 5534056" data-attributes="member: 20914">Book of Nine Swords as said earlier.===========================================Far as the rest of it, my prespective is as a non-4E player/dm.I've played a total of one 4E campaign.  About 8 sessions or so.--------------------------------------------------------We were spoiled during 3.0/3.5 years.  Admit it to yourselves first.The OGL, and the plethora of D20 3rd party products was pretty much a player/dm's dream.  It was a long cry from the days where a fan page would get you a C&D letter from TSR.Something happened prior to 4E that caused WotC to rethink their strategy in the market place.That is in evidence from bringing all the licenscing back in house and to the GSL.Dragon & Dungeon, yup I was pi$$ed off at that when it's print line ended, but using the 20/20 of hindsight.  The magazine market itself was shrinking.  So can't fault them there.  In retrospect it might have saved the branding of those magazines with their move.DDI really intrigued me as they were ramping up.  But as I saw there was no support to older editions (which I still play) there was nothing there that made me want to buy into it.The character builder offline was great though, I liked it.  Because of that CB I actually played in that 4E game without much issue.Once it went to an online model only, it wasn't something I wanted.  As there was nothing within DDI that appealed to me.To the 'Jump the Shark' moment within 4E, I think it will be looked back as the Essentials moment if it comes to it.  That seems a general consensus within many boards of when Players/GM's begin not purchasing 4E products when they purchased all before.---------------------------------------------------But what ever your preceived shark jump is, it is still recoverable.  At least in my opinion.While a heavy crunch book only sells to a subset of your entire demographic, a heavy fluff book has the ability to cross that Edition War barrier.Think about it, how many lapsed and current edition players/DM's would love a real updated on Greyhawk?I know I would snag up a fluff book.Same with many other settings they have in house.I think they went a step in the right direction when they were going with the 3 books and done method for a campaign setting.  You didn't saturate a setting out, but you satisfied a lot of different players by allowing for old settings to come back to the fold (i.e. Darksun).  I actually picked up and browsed the book and put it to the wishlist on Amazon as a might buy later, think it's about number 10 on my to buy list.  Considering not only D&D is on that list, that's pretty good.  Half the battle for them is get someone to consider buying it.Death of mini's hurt in another way.  That was one of the last items of Hasbro/WotC I was regularly buying.  How many here can say the same?Same with the Star Wars licence. I had just gotten into Star Wars when it all ended.  The good thing though is I jumped in both feet to it and I have all the books as a complete set now. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Another idea that might/would boost your sales up.Tie in modules/settings to your DDI.  No not as a must have but as a benefit to older edition players.You have the knowledge base there at WotC and you own the rights (least I assume you do) to the old editions to have articles on the DDI about using that book under prior edition rules.Really it's a kill three birds with one stone method.1. Boost Sales of books by lapsed edition players/gms2. Boost DDI usage/sales.3. Satisfy grognards and bring them back as paying customers. $$But what do I know.I'm just someone with several hundred in disposable income per paycheck. And only two real hobbies. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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