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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5534598" data-attributes="member: 22779">Past decade?&nbsp; Don't think so.&nbsp; Did Paizo even exist in 2001?&nbsp; And, while Paizo has done fantastic things reaching out to its fans, what has it done to reach out to new gamers?&nbsp; What has any gaming company done on the scale of D&amp;D Encounters?&nbsp; Or the Library initiatives.&nbsp; Or giving money to registered gaming groups as WOTC did a few years back?In 2006, before 4e was announced, how many companies were producing 3pp D&amp;D?&nbsp; 5 maybe?&nbsp; And that was stretching it.&nbsp; All the mid tier companies were almost gone (Mongoose, AEG, FFG) and other than Paizo, you had very, very little on the ground.Agreed.&nbsp; But, there were elements which facilitated that rebound that were totally outside of WOTC's control.&nbsp; A moribund gaming industry that hadn't seen a new big game in years (quick, name 3 releases from 1995 up to the release of 3e that made a big, lasting splash).&nbsp; Years of fantastic economic growth certainly didn't hurt.&nbsp; So on and so forth.Sorry, I thought the tag line on the front of the Pathfinder books was &quot;3rd Edition THRIVES!&quot;Honestly, I think Pathfinder will be fine for years as well.&nbsp; I just don't think it will grow much beyond what it is now.&nbsp; I think they leveraged the fact that people were dissatisfied with 4e and liked 3e and drew heavily on that crowd for their fans.&nbsp; But, 5 years down the road, that crowd will be pretty much saturated - either they chose one game or the other (or both).&nbsp; But it won't grow much beyond that.I'll be very interested to see how their new Basic book goes.&nbsp; I wish them all the best.This is a bit false.&nbsp; Large corporations ONLY think about return on investment because that's the only thing that matters as far as the shareholders are concerned.&nbsp; A stable ROI is a very, very valuable thing.&nbsp; Evergreen products are the bread and butter of any large corporation.&nbsp; Flash in the pan fads are expensive and wasteful because for every fad, there's a thousand ideas that flopped.So, sure, it could be more successful.&nbsp; That's always true.&nbsp; But, at some point the company has to accept that there is an upper limit to how successful you can expect a product to be.&nbsp; It would be great if there were 100 million tabletop gamers out there.&nbsp; But, after 30 years, it's not likely to happen.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5534598, member: 22779"] Past decade? Don't think so. Did Paizo even exist in 2001? And, while Paizo has done fantastic things reaching out to its fans, what has it done to reach out to new gamers? What has any gaming company done on the scale of D&D Encounters? Or the Library initiatives. Or giving money to registered gaming groups as WOTC did a few years back? In 2006, before 4e was announced, how many companies were producing 3pp D&D? 5 maybe? And that was stretching it. All the mid tier companies were almost gone (Mongoose, AEG, FFG) and other than Paizo, you had very, very little on the ground. Agreed. But, there were elements which facilitated that rebound that were totally outside of WOTC's control. A moribund gaming industry that hadn't seen a new big game in years (quick, name 3 releases from 1995 up to the release of 3e that made a big, lasting splash). Years of fantastic economic growth certainly didn't hurt. So on and so forth. Sorry, I thought the tag line on the front of the Pathfinder books was "3rd Edition THRIVES!" Honestly, I think Pathfinder will be fine for years as well. I just don't think it will grow much beyond what it is now. I think they leveraged the fact that people were dissatisfied with 4e and liked 3e and drew heavily on that crowd for their fans. But, 5 years down the road, that crowd will be pretty much saturated - either they chose one game or the other (or both). But it won't grow much beyond that. I'll be very interested to see how their new Basic book goes. I wish them all the best. This is a bit false. Large corporations ONLY think about return on investment because that's the only thing that matters as far as the shareholders are concerned. A stable ROI is a very, very valuable thing. Evergreen products are the bread and butter of any large corporation. Flash in the pan fads are expensive and wasteful because for every fad, there's a thousand ideas that flopped. So, sure, it could be more successful. That's always true. But, at some point the company has to accept that there is an upper limit to how successful you can expect a product to be. It would be great if there were 100 million tabletop gamers out there. But, after 30 years, it's not likely to happen. [/QUOTE]

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