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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5535634" data-attributes="member: 82106">Right, I mostly agree, maybe not on every detail, but I think mostly we're all on the same page.I think my issue is simply with BryonD. First of all he seems to me to be determined to interpret any doubt as to his opinion on things as meaning that we believe that PF is insignificant, nothing in 2011 is any different than it was in 2008, etc etc etc. That is a significant misinterpretation of what at least I (and I am gathering from other poster's responses I'm not alone) have been saying. The world goes on. 2011 is NOT 2008. Every edition of D&D exists within some unique time frame with its own unique market forces, competitors, business dealings, etc etc etc. There is no doubt that PF is a popular FRPG. None at all. Just as with any other game there will be people who love it and 'hate' the competition. You can go to many forums or gaming groups or stores and find people that 'hate' one of 4e or PF. Still, the vast majority of people that play D&D that I run into fall far more in the middle. They might prefer one game over the other, but they do play or have played both.Honestly the strongest trend I personally have seen with 4e is old AD&D players picking it up. I'd count myself in that category. IME a lot of those people really don't care that much for 3.5/PF. How big is that factor? I'd have no idea, but BryonD's view of things where 4e apparently is hated by armies of gamers is at best far from the whole story. There are definitely 2 popular forms of D&D on the market. There are some people that like one or the other, and some that like both or don't care etc. That's about all you can say BryonD, sorry. That sure is different than 2008, but really do I even care? I don't have time, energy, and money to dump into 2 systems. I picked the one I like. It is well supported and fun. The other choice? Got nothing against it. Might have picked that in a different situation I suppose. I'm good with both of them thriving. Competition is always good.</blockquote>

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