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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5537431" data-attributes="member: 957">How do you know 3E was adequately keeping WotC afloat?How do you know Pazio's little boat is floating really really high?I really agree with DaveMage that we don't know specifically and I don't claim to know it is &quot;making the same money&quot;?&nbsp; I have been talking about popularity in terms of fan base.&nbsp; Now, there should be some tie between the two, of course, but there are still different.&nbsp; Of course, we also have our collection of anecdotes from various business sources.&nbsp; And we all understand that data has limitations.&nbsp; But they suggest that current 4E and current PF are roughly equitable.&nbsp; Some of them go so far as to flat out claim they are.&nbsp; Yes, you can challenge that.&nbsp; But come on, we are going to challenge all these sources on the one hand and then turn around and take your gut feel as the answer on the other hand?I've still seen no evidence that disputes the idea that they are reasonably equitable.&nbsp; So if we assume PF is not doing as well as 3E was (which might be true) then and equitable 4E now already isn't either....&nbsp; That isn't exactly a good conclusion to land on.But again, as important as money is, and it is very, I'm looking at fan base.&nbsp; Because I'm a gamer, not an investor (at least not in these companies).&nbsp; I completely support WotC doing whatever makes the most money.&nbsp; Frankly, if Bill Gates decided to pay them off to make a D&amp;D he loved and every single person on this website hated, and offered them more money for it than they are making now, then that would be the good business choice.&nbsp; But it would still suck from the point of view of us gamers.&nbsp; And you could claim that the Bill Gates option is dumb because they would be sacrificing the future.&nbsp; But if you say that, then you are back to my fanbase point of view.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5537431, member: 957"] How do you know 3E was adequately keeping WotC afloat? How do you know Pazio's little boat is floating really really high? I really agree with DaveMage that we don't know specifically and I don't claim to know it is "making the same money"? I have been talking about popularity in terms of fan base. Now, there should be some tie between the two, of course, but there are still different. Of course, we also have our collection of anecdotes from various business sources. And we all understand that data has limitations. But they suggest that current 4E and current PF are roughly equitable. Some of them go so far as to flat out claim they are. Yes, you can challenge that. But come on, we are going to challenge all these sources on the one hand and then turn around and take your gut feel as the answer on the other hand? I've still seen no evidence that disputes the idea that they are reasonably equitable. So if we assume PF is not doing as well as 3E was (which might be true) then and equitable 4E now already isn't either.... That isn't exactly a good conclusion to land on. But again, as important as money is, and it is very, I'm looking at fan base. Because I'm a gamer, not an investor (at least not in these companies). I completely support WotC doing whatever makes the most money. Frankly, if Bill Gates decided to pay them off to make a D&D he loved and every single person on this website hated, and offered them more money for it than they are making now, then that would be the good business choice. But it would still suck from the point of view of us gamers. And you could claim that the Bill Gates option is dumb because they would be sacrificing the future. But if you say that, then you are back to my fanbase point of view. [/QUOTE]

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