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<blockquote data-quote="Fifth Element" data-source="post: 5540445" data-attributes="member: 48135">Wrong. What I'm saying is that &quot;in the ballpark&quot; is a vague term, and I don't know what you mean by it, because it could mean many things.Basically, I'm trying to get you to say something specific and verifiable, because up to now you've used vague and nebulous terms, and asked if we can disprove them. We can't even tell what you're arguing specifically. How deep is a &quot;deep split&quot;? How big is this ballpark you're talking about? If it turns out that PF has 30% of the player base that 4E does, someone might present that as evidence that they're not really in the same ballpark. But you might count 30% as being in the ballpark. We don't know because you won't be specific.You can speculate about deep splits all you like, but you can't be surprised when others ask for evidence, or when they reject anecdotes provided in place of real evidence. If you want to call it speculation and opinion, there's nothing I can say to that. But you're declared it as fact.And I'm not saying &quot;no it isn't&quot;. I'm saying &quot;there's no evidence that it is&quot;. That's quite different. I don't know whether it is or it isn't. There's no evidence that it is, and no evidence that it's not. Which leaves us with speculation and opinion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fifth Element, post: 5540445, member: 48135"] Wrong. What I'm saying is that "in the ballpark" is a vague term, and I don't know what [I]you[/I] mean by it, because it could mean many things. Basically, I'm trying to get you to say something specific and verifiable, because up to now you've used vague and nebulous terms, and asked if we can disprove them. We can't even tell what you're arguing specifically. How deep is a "deep split"? How big is this ballpark you're talking about? If it turns out that PF has 30% of the player base that 4E does, someone might present that as evidence that they're not really in the same ballpark. But you might count 30% as being in the ballpark. We don't know because you won't be specific. You can speculate about deep splits all you like, but you can't be surprised when others ask for evidence, or when they reject anecdotes provided in place of real evidence. If you want to call it speculation and opinion, there's nothing I can say to that. But you're declared it as fact. And I'm not saying "no it isn't". I'm saying "there's no evidence that it is". That's quite different. I don't know whether it is or it isn't. There's no evidence that it is, and no evidence that it's not. Which leaves us with speculation and opinion. [/QUOTE]

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