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<blockquote data-quote="habaal" data-source="post: 4231141" data-attributes="member: 61590">Well, just got back from a session. My PC's are six 9level party, and thay just leveld up.The leveling was slow and tiring, and it seems just one of the PC's isn't some kind of a spellcaster (Cleric, Bard/rogue/Assasin, Druid, Ranger/Wizard/Arcane Knight, Druid/sorcerer/spellthuerge (?), and the non-caster Monk/Drunken Master.)The rules do get complicated by that level and the battle they had took over an hour and a half (which is standard in our group). Maybe it's just my incompetence as a DM, but the system isn't very helpfull at the speeding issue.I'm devided in my opinion of 3.X: Even though my PCs are at the &quot;sweet spot&quot; , and at my slow rate it took about two and a half years of very fun gaming to get there, the players got the notion that only spellcasters are fun to play (it was a gardual process of trial and error, but at the end the players learnd they had more options of play, etc). We all enjoy tha game immensely, but it's probably mt DMing and their characters more than all the interesting options the game provides.So, in order gain a much more fluid play expirience I pre-ordered 4E, and I hope for the best.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="habaal, post: 4231141, member: 61590"] Well, just got back from a session. My PC's are six 9level party, and thay just leveld up. The leveling was slow and tiring, and it seems just one of the PC's isn't some kind of a spellcaster (Cleric, Bard/rogue/Assasin, Druid, Ranger/Wizard/Arcane Knight, Druid/sorcerer/spellthuerge (?), and the non-caster Monk/Drunken Master.) The rules do get complicated by that level and the battle they had took over an hour and a half (which is standard in our group). Maybe it's just my incompetence as a DM, but the system isn't very helpfull at the speeding issue. I'm devided in my opinion of 3.X: Even though my PCs are at the "sweet spot" , and at my slow rate it took about two and a half years of very fun gaming to get there, the players got the notion that only spellcasters are fun to play (it was a gardual process of trial and error, but at the end the players learnd they had more options of play, etc). We all enjoy tha game immensely, but it's probably mt DMing and their characters more than all the interesting options the game provides. So, in order gain a much more fluid play expirience I pre-ordered 4E, and I hope for the best. [/QUOTE]

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