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When do baby goblins become evil?
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<blockquote data-quote="John Morrow" data-source="post: 2120802" data-attributes="member: 27012"><p>Perhaps in your own moral system it is. In the D&D alignment system as defined by the RAW, it isn't. I also don't personally consider it evil.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure. But all the D&D alignment system requires of Neutral characters is that they have "compunctions against killing the innocent" (note that they are not even prohibited form killing the innocent -- they simply shouldn't do so without some pause) and goes on to say that they "lack the commitment to make sacrifices to protect or help others." Sounds like a pretty good description of "selfish" to me. </p><p></p><p>Out of curiosity, how would you define Neutral?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Some kids do. Other kids don't. Often kids do those things without thinking (which, again, falls under the definition of Neutral in the SRD). </p><p></p><p>I can remember my childhood very well (e.g., I can remember being in my crib, remember noticing the crickets outside for the first time, etc.) and I can even often remember what I was thinking (e.g., I can remember exactly why I was reluctant to give up my bottle and know how throwing away my favorite stuffed animal affected me) and I certainly did some of those things (but not others -- I never had any interest in hurting pets, for example) and not only wasn't it motivated by cruelty or sadism but, in at least one case, I got fairly upset when someone explained to me why what I did was cruel because I just didn't know any better (and I know how that effected my, too -- let's just say that I still catch most insect and release them outside rather than killing them). There is a reason why, in response to a parent asking a child why they were doing something bad, a child answers, "I don't know!" They really don't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you define selfishness or ignorance as Evil. I don't. I think Evil requires intent.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I know plenty of children who were helpful and altristic long before that age and plenty of children who never stopped being evil at that age. Maybe I'm just not meeting the same children that you are.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="John Morrow, post: 2120802, member: 27012"] Perhaps in your own moral system it is. In the D&D alignment system as defined by the RAW, it isn't. I also don't personally consider it evil. Sure. But all the D&D alignment system requires of Neutral characters is that they have "compunctions against killing the innocent" (note that they are not even prohibited form killing the innocent -- they simply shouldn't do so without some pause) and goes on to say that they "lack the commitment to make sacrifices to protect or help others." Sounds like a pretty good description of "selfish" to me. Out of curiosity, how would you define Neutral? Some kids do. Other kids don't. Often kids do those things without thinking (which, again, falls under the definition of Neutral in the SRD). I can remember my childhood very well (e.g., I can remember being in my crib, remember noticing the crickets outside for the first time, etc.) and I can even often remember what I was thinking (e.g., I can remember exactly why I was reluctant to give up my bottle and know how throwing away my favorite stuffed animal affected me) and I certainly did some of those things (but not others -- I never had any interest in hurting pets, for example) and not only wasn't it motivated by cruelty or sadism but, in at least one case, I got fairly upset when someone explained to me why what I did was cruel because I just didn't know any better (and I know how that effected my, too -- let's just say that I still catch most insect and release them outside rather than killing them). There is a reason why, in response to a parent asking a child why they were doing something bad, a child answers, "I don't know!" They really don't. If you define selfishness or ignorance as Evil. I don't. I think Evil requires intent. I know plenty of children who were helpful and altristic long before that age and plenty of children who never stopped being evil at that age. Maybe I'm just not meeting the same children that you are. [/QUOTE]
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