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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 5605266" data-attributes="member: 11300">I believe you almost got it right, and compounding this is the fact that your players are not using actions that are reflecting what they want their characters to be doing.Firstly, initiative should be thrown when a player becomes aware of their opponent becoming an opponent. It is to indicate when combatants are no longer flat-footed (that is oblivious that they are in danger). Both your gladiators would have been aware of this, perhaps even before they stepped into the arena. I would say as soon as eye contact between the two is made, initiative should be thrown.Secondly, your players are not conveying their actions correctly. In your example, what they should be doing is using a move action to move, and their standard action to ready: either "If I get charged, then I'm moving to cover" or "If I get charged, then I'm setting my spear" or "If I get charged, then I attack the charger". Rinse repeat, until one of the combatants charges.If your players are making double moves, they are effectively spending all their focus moving to where they think they will be safe rather than preparing to react to what their opponent is doing. By not readying, they are leaving themselves open.This then becomes your Mexican stand-off until one or the other has the gumption to charge - and so you need to provide incentives such as the sun being in the defenders eyes, positioning being important because of terrain or obstacles, distractions from the crowd (booing until the first charge where the roar of the crowd gives a morale bonus to the attack and so on).Where did you get the expression "nish"? I have only ever seen you using this term on these boards... and I've been active on the boards for a little while. Specifically to answer your question though, when one opponent becomes aware that the other is an opponent. In your situation above, this would be upon eye contact between the two (or if one was deliberately avoiding eye contact, this in itself is a reason for rolling initiative).Interesting question once again.Best RegardsHerremann the Wise</blockquote>

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