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<blockquote data-quote="Harmon" data-source="post: 3746080" data-attributes="member: 24357">When doesn't EL/CR work?We got our cans handed to us by a couple CR9 creatures at 12th lvl and there were twice as many of us as them!&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; The room was small, they had reach, and Combat Reflexes.Later (or was it before?) we kicked the holy something out of a creature four levels our senior, but the archer got to crit on it two times before it got to attack, and the sorcerer hit it once with a Maxed Lightning Bolt (ref missed).&nbsp; A one round combat as I recall.Some times a single little old German woman with a broom can womp (reference only captured by two others on this board) your but while and army doesn't stand a chance.&nbsp; CRs are a good point of reference, but not a law as sometimes the right things happen, its just a matter of questioning &quot;for which side do these things happen?&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Harmon, post: 3746080, member: 24357"] When doesn't EL/CR work? We got our cans handed to us by a couple CR9 creatures at 12th lvl and there were twice as many of us as them! Why? The room was small, they had reach, and Combat Reflexes. Later (or was it before?) we kicked the holy something out of a creature four levels our senior, but the archer got to crit on it two times before it got to attack, and the sorcerer hit it once with a Maxed Lightning Bolt (ref missed). A one round combat as I recall. Some times a single little old German woman with a broom can womp [I](reference only captured by two others on this board)[/I] your but while and army doesn't stand a chance. CRs are a good point of reference, but not a law as sometimes the right things happen, its just a matter of questioning "for which side do these things happen?" [/QUOTE]

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