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<blockquote data-quote="BlindKobold" data-source="post: 105527" data-attributes="member: 1375">I guess I missed the proof.You didn't really seem to grasp what I was saying?&nbsp; I said they go off at the same time... meaning during the same ROUND.&nbsp; They don't PHYSICALLY go off at the same time... but they do mechanically.&nbsp; (Ie. my trading blow example).&nbsp; Nothing you said in anyway implies differently.&nbsp; .Even two people who go on the same initiative go in order... one doesn't take one attack, then the other make their one attack, then the first one makes his second attack, etc. (Ie. my trading blow example).&nbsp;&nbsp; The attacks are grouped, one person ALWAYS goes before the other. [PH p.120 under Initiative]My point was... since they all happen during the SAME round... and since the normal rule for suprise and flat-footedness is that the flat-footed person doesn't regain their DEX until THEIR turn... [PH p.120 under suprise] then the invisible person's target WOULD NOT regain their DEX until their turn AGAINST THE INVISIBLE ATTACKER ONLY.I mean seriously... does it really make anymore sense that you could react faster to someone who pops out of now where, than you could react to someone who jumps out of the bushes?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BlindKobold, post: 105527, member: 1375"] I guess I missed the proof. You didn't really seem to grasp what I was saying? I said they go off at the same time... meaning during the same ROUND. They don't PHYSICALLY go off at the same time... but they do mechanically. (Ie. my trading blow example). Nothing you said in anyway implies differently. . Even two people who go on the same initiative go in order... one doesn't take one attack, then the other make their one attack, then the first one makes his second attack, etc. (Ie. my trading blow example). The attacks are grouped, one person ALWAYS goes before the other. [PH p.120 under Initiative] My point was... since they all happen during the SAME round... and since the normal rule for suprise and flat-footedness is that the flat-footed person doesn't regain their DEX until THEIR turn... [PH p.120 under suprise] then the invisible person's target WOULD NOT regain their DEX until their turn AGAINST THE INVISIBLE ATTACKER ONLY. I mean seriously... does it really make anymore sense that you could react faster to someone who pops out of now where, than you could react to someone who jumps out of the bushes? [/QUOTE]

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