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<blockquote data-quote="Evilboy" data-source="post: 107838" data-attributes="member: 186">Flat-footed and being denied your dexterity bonus to AC because of an invisible attacker are two separate penalties.If the defender is aware of the attacker but does not know his/her location (thanks to invisibility), then they are NOT flat-footed, but do lose their dexterity bonus to AC when being attacked by their invisible opponent.In this case, if the opponent made more than one attack in said round and did not have improved invisibility, only the first attack would benefit.&nbsp; Since invisibility is ended after the first attack, not the first attack-action or after the first string of attacks, the advantage of being invisible would only apply to the first attack (which is the only attack made while invisible).&nbsp; &nbsp; Despite the fact that the attacker is invisible, they haven't really &quot;surprised&quot; their opponent, and although the defender may not know from where, they know an attack is coming and they are prepared for combat (more or less).It is possible for an invisible attacker to hit a flat-footed opponent (likely, in fact), but that would fall under the rules of ambush / surprise instead.&nbsp; In such a case that the defender is unaware of the invisible attacker, the attacker would get a partial action (standard ambush rules), which would cancel their invisibility (if an attack) and gain sneak-attack damage,&nbsp; After that, the two combatants would roll initiative.&nbsp; If the attacker won, they could continue to attack and gain sneak attack damage, since their opponent has not yet acted and is still flat-footed.Invisibility is fairly clear about being voided after one attack, much like true strike and many touch spells (vampiric touch, etc.)&nbsp; Since a good deal of D&amp;D logic is set up similar to Magic: The Gathering, thinking in terms of instants / interrupts can help (if you're familiar with the Magic system).&nbsp; The moment (or non-moment, depending on how you want to define time here) that invisibility ends, the benefits of the spell end.&nbsp; And the spell ends immediately after making any single attack.&nbsp; The opponent could be flat-footed after invisilibility ends, but the spell itself does not cause such a state.- Evilboy</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Evilboy, post: 107838, member: 186"] Flat-footed and being denied your dexterity bonus to AC because of an invisible attacker are two separate penalties. If the defender is aware of the attacker but does not know his/her location (thanks to invisibility), then they are NOT flat-footed, but do lose their dexterity bonus to AC when being attacked by their invisible opponent. In this case, if the opponent made more than one attack in said round and did not have improved invisibility, only the first attack would benefit. Since invisibility is ended after the first attack, not the first attack-action or after the first string of attacks, the advantage of being invisible would only apply to the first attack (which is the only attack made while invisible). Despite the fact that the attacker is invisible, they haven't really "surprised" their opponent, and although the defender may not know from where, they know an attack is coming and they are prepared for combat (more or less). It is possible for an invisible attacker to hit a flat-footed opponent (likely, in fact), but that would fall under the rules of ambush / surprise instead. In such a case that the defender is unaware of the invisible attacker, the attacker would get a partial action (standard ambush rules), which would cancel their invisibility (if an attack) and gain sneak-attack damage, After that, the two combatants would roll initiative. If the attacker won, they could continue to attack and gain sneak attack damage, since their opponent has not yet acted and is still flat-footed. Invisibility is fairly clear about being voided after one attack, much like true strike and many touch spells (vampiric touch, etc.) Since a good deal of D&D logic is set up similar to Magic: The Gathering, thinking in terms of instants / interrupts can help (if you're familiar with the Magic system). The moment (or non-moment, depending on how you want to define time here) that invisibility ends, the benefits of the spell end. And the spell ends immediately after making any single attack. The opponent could be flat-footed after invisilibility ends, but the spell itself does not cause such a state. - Evilboy [/QUOTE]

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